CALL NUMBER: T0613:0001 RECORDED: [location unknown], 1964-07-28 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Mr. Albert Veranous Franklin remembers life at Tatla Lake before 1900. Mr. Franklin recalls his family background, his father, Benny Franklin, the move to Tatla Lake, the reasons, the journey, the purchase of the homestead and establishing a store, getting supplies from Ashcroft, trading with the Indians, the smallpox epidemic among the Indians, excursions to Bute Inlet, the Waddington Massacre, Chilcotin Indians and more, and the massacre and the aftermath.

TRACK 2: Franklin continues with more on the Waddington massacre, the story of the introduction of smallpox among the Indians as told to Franklin by John Hickory McLean, who was a member of the Waddington party, the effects of smallpox, names of early settlers, stories of life at Tatla, an anecdote about seeing the ghost of a dead Indian woman, the new road from Alexis Creek to the Nazko Valley, an account of the Indian game of Lahal, and moving to Nazko from Tatla.

CALL NUMBER: T0613:0002 RECORDED: [location unknown], 1964-07-28 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Franklin discusses the move to below Anahim Rancherie, Norman Lee, partnerships in the Chilcotin, Indian-White intermarriage, the Franklin homestead, an account of his father's death and burial, his father as Justice of the Peace, his mother, Marie Forest, the move into the Chilcotin in 1889, early days at Tatla Lake, the reasons for moving to the lake from Nazko, and Indian agitation.

TRACK 2: Franklin tells the story behind Indian agitation, a trip to Skeena River, early days at Bute Inlet, his father's excursions between Bute Inlet and Tatla Lake, life after leaving the Chilcotin in 1903, the trip from Tatla Lake to Bute Inlet and back, 1892 or 1893, and place names.

RECORDED: [location unknown], 1963-02-04 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Mr. Parmiter recounts coming to Ladner in 1874; his father's involvement in coal mining in the Queen Charlotte Islands; early Ladner; the family farm; other residents; early roads; transportation; early farming; Vancouver; cattle; growing oats and hay; Pemberton's farm; sloughs; canneries; Deas Cannery; Canoe Pass; recreation; floods; dykes; flood boxes; his work at the Standard Cannery on the Skeena River; fishing and farming in Ladner; winters; ice skating; roads; dances. [TRACK 2: blank.]

SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Hilda North remembers her father, Peter Herman, and Port Essington before 1907 PERIOD COVERED: 1870-1907 RECORDED: [location unknown], [196-] SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Hilda Theresa North talks about her father, Peter Herman who came from Germany, his adventures, his work in the Chemainus mill and for Robert Cunningham at the sawmill at Port Essington (1885). Her mother and father trapped at Lakelse Lake, then competed with Cunningham for the Indian fur trade. She speaks about her father's business relations with the Cunningham family, a fight between George Cunningham and Peter Herman, his businesses (sawmill, logging and canning) and his cannery operations. Hilda North recalls childhood memories of Port Essington and schooling. She relates more of her father's background, his advice to the G.T.P. officials on the Kaien Island site, his position as a MLA [?], and his involvement in the Gun-an-noot incident. Hilda North recalls more about her early life in Port Essington and her father's death.

SUMMARY: "Cayuse Jack" is the eighth episode in the series. Sperry Cline recalls packer Cayuse Jack Graham, a memorable character of the Skeena Country.

SUMMARY: "Chief Gail's Calipeen" is the seventh episode in the series. Sperry Cline recalls some aspect of Indian life in the Skeena Country, including stories about telepathic powers and bear hunting, as well as Chief Abraham Gail of the village of Kispiox and his "calipeen" (flintlock rifle).

SUMMARY: "Early Days in Hazelton, part 1", #14 in the series, consists of pioneer recollections of the birth and early days of Hazelton. This discussion continues in program #15; see T3262:0001 (description AAAB3574).

SUMMARY: "Early Days in Hazelton, part 2", #15 in the series, consists of recollections of the birth and early days of Hazelton. Vicky Simms and Bea Williscroft recall early days in Hazelton and region. Continued from program #14; see T3261:0001 (description AAAB3573).

SUMMARY: In "Fishing on the Skeena", #4 in the series, pioneer Walter Wicks recalls his experiences in the early days of commercial fishing at the mouth of the Skeena River.

SUMMARY: In "Growing Up on the Skeena", #2 in the series, pioneer Walter Wicks talks ab;out what it was like to grow up at a cannery at the mouth of the Skeena early in the 20th century.

SUMMARY: "Hazelton Indian Uprising" is the third episode in the series. Constance Cox recalls an uprising among the Tsimshian Indians at Hazelton in the 1880s, brought on by an epidemic of measles.

SUMMARY: "Isaac and the Friendship Party" is the fourth episode in the series. Constance Cox tells a story about Isaac, a Carrier Indian from Babine, who gave a party for his friends and got hauled into court as a consequence.

SUMMARY: In "Journey to the Telkwa", #18 in the series, pioneer Sarah Bourgon (nee Capewell) recalls how she came to Canada in 1912, and her journey to Aldermere in 1914.

SUMMARY: "Kispiox Valley", #13 in the series, consists of two stories about homesteading in the Kispiox Valley north of Hazelton -- one told by Mrs. H.F. Glassey, who was the first woman pre-emptor in British Columbia, 1910.

SUMMARY: "Kitselas Canyon", #8 in the series, consists of three stories set at Kitselas Canyon on the Skeena River. Veroca Godfrey remembers a boating excursion at Kitselas. Annie Moberly recalls the wreck of the steamboat "Mount Royal" in 1907. Wiggs O'Neill tells about an Indian woman arrested for selling liquor during the days of railway construction.

SUMMARY:"Minskinisht", #10 in the series, is the story of the founding and early days of the Indian mission at Minskinisht on the Skeena -- now known as Cedarvale. The story is continued from program #9; see T3256:0001 (description AAAB3568).

SUMMARY: "Pack Trains", #16 in the series, consists of recollections of the pack trains in the early days of settlement on the Skeena; of the Spanish and Mexican packers; and of one legendary packer known as "Cataline".

SUMMARY: "Port Essington", #6 in the series, consists of recollections of the Port Essington community from former residents.

SUMMARY: In "Prince Rupert", #5 in the series, pioneer Walter Wicks talks about the coming of the railroad to the Skeena country, and the early days of Prince Rupert.

SUMMARY: "River Travel", #7 in the series, is about the days of sternwheelers on the Skeena River, and steamboat Captain J.H.Bonser.

SUMMARY: "Robert Tomlinson", #9 in the series, is the story of Robert Tomlinson, who founded the Indian mission of Minskinisht. The story continues in program #10; see T3257:0001 (description AAAB3569).

The sub-series consists of episodes from the first series of "Living Memory", a CBC Vancouver radio program about people and places in British Columbia history, based on oral history interviews recorded by Imbert Orchard. Four series aired from 1961 to 1964. The first series, broadcast from March 9 to May 29, 1961, dealt with early days in the Skeena and Bulkley region (via the recollections of Constance Cox and Sperry Cline), as well as early days in Vancouver.

The sub-series consists of episodes from the second series of "Living Memory", a CBC Vancouver radio program about people and places in British Columbia history, based on oral history interviews recorded by Imbert Orchard. Four series aired from 1961 to 1964. The second series, broadcast from January 19 to June 29, 1962, dealt with frontier life in the area around the Skeena River and its tributaries.

SUMMARY: In "Skeena Introduction", the first episode of "Living Memory" series 2, pioneers of the Skeena region answer the question, "What brought you into this country?"

SUMMARY: "The Holy City", #11 in the series, is about life at the Indian mission of Minskinisht on the Skeena, founded by Robert Tomlinson.

SUMMARY: "The Indians of Minskinisht", #12 in the series, consists of recollections about the Indian people who lived at Robert Tomlinson's mission at Minskinisht, now known as Cedearvale.

SUMMARY: In "The School at Metlakatla", #3 in the series, pioneers Walter Wicks and Mabel Collison talk about the mission school at Metlakatla.

SUMMARY: "Tom Hankin" is the first episode in the first series of "Living Memory". Constance Cox talks about her father, Thomas Hankin, who founded the town of Hazelton, and about his experiences with the Indian people of the area.

CALL NUMBER: T0399:0001
RECORDED: Hope (B.C.), 1963-03-24 & 25
SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Mr. Martin Starret, born July 17, 1888, describes his family background, starting with his maternal grandfather, Captain Henry Smith. His grandmother's family name was Stevens. He describes a trip with his uncle, C.V. Smith, to Hazelton in 1909 to learn the fur trade. He discusses a shipment consisting of seventy tons of alcohol for a man called Blackjack MacDonald. He offers a description of Hazelton and his first recollections upon landing there including specific people and events. He discusses his mother and his father, born in 1850 in Brampton Ontario, who was a surveyor. His father also mined gold with a man named Metcalf, and Jack Kerkup who later became the Gold Commissioner at Rossland. His father and a man named Flood, who was from Woodstock Ontario, and a man named Corrigan went from Hope to Skagit in Washington to mine gold. He describes their adventures on the trail to Skagit. TRACK 2: Mr. Starret continues with the story. One of the men began to miss a few things out of his bag such as salt and bacon. The man accused was a Chinese miner and he was required to cut off his hair to be set free. His father returned to Silver Creek, a couple of miles below Hope. Mr. Starret describes Hope, BC, and its residents in the 1890s. Stories of Bill Bristol who had the contract of cutting cords of wood for the steamboat company for a dollar and a quarter per pile. Bristol was born in Syracuse, NY. He worked in the mines in San Francisco in 1849 and came to Hope in 1858. Mr. Starret describes the naming of Catz Landing, Bristol's Landing and a few more places. Bristol used to carry mail from Westminster to Yale in the season when the boats could not run. More stories about Bristol.

CALL NUMBER: T0399:0002
RECORDED: Hope (B.C.), 1963-03-24 & 25
SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Mr. Starret describes cattle drives and cattle trains near Hope in the 1890s. He offers anecdotes about William Yates who was a worker for Hudson's Bay Company, the man for which Yates Street in Victoria is named. He describes work at the Whitworth Ranch in the Skagit Valley in 1907, a man named Bob Hume who claimed that he was the first white man born in BC, who also worked there. Hume told Mr. Starret the story of Simon Gun-an-noot, an Indian outlaw who killed two white men in Hazelton, including Alec MacIntosh, in October 1907. Gun-an-noot eventually gave himself up because there were no witnesses. Starret tells stories of the famous packer Cataline, whose real name was Jean Caux, and discusses Cataline's drinking habits. TRACK 2: Mr. Starret tells a story about Cataline taking the horseshoes off a horse who was carrying eggs, so that the horse's feet would get sore and he would walk lightly, so as not to break any eggs. More anecdotes about Cataline. Steve Tingley was an old timer who owned a ranch and his wife was killed on a horse. Stories about other packers and old timers such as Ned Stout, Bob Steveson, and John Allway who died in September 1908. He discusses W.W. Walkem who wrote about the first Fraser River bars, and mentions a man named Pete Toye. Mr. Starret offers anecdotes about his mother's experience as a school teacher, and a hike with his father to Eureka mine near Silver Creek in 1897.

CALL NUMBER: T0399:0003
RECORDED: Hope (B.C.), 1963-03-24 & 25
SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Mr. Starret discusses early white settlers in the Babine Lake region. Stories about Walter Williscroft who lived outside Hazelton, and had to turn back along a trail to find his dog. A story about contractor Duncan Ross and his dealings with a Chinese blacksmith. A packing contest which a Mongolian won. A story of the "Bell Mare", an Indian woman who carried a bell and when the bell would ring the horses would think there was another horse up ahead and rush to get there. Mr. Starret offers a detailed description of packing methods. TRACK 2: Mr. Starret discusses early settlers at Hope in 1900: Yates, Alvarez and Wardel. Feed for the horses was the biggest drawback of Hope. The benefits of Hope from a geographical point of view. Hazelton got busy in 1910 because of the Grand Trunk Pacific Railway. Men from Ontario seemed to be best adjusted to life out west. More on Hope. A story of Bill Miner, a famous train robber and a Robin Hood type figure, who was also a prospector. After one train robbery, Bill Miner rode a split-hoofed horse from the scene; the police tracked the horse and caught Miner in 1903. More stories about Miner and his generosity. Mines in the area are overviewed. A description of the survey of Allison Pass in 1906.

CALL NUMBER: T0399:0004
RECORDED: Hope (B.C.), 1963-03-24 & 25
SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Mr. Starret continues with his story about surveying Allison Pass near Princeton around 1905/1906. He describes the Whitworth Ranch in the Skagit Valley in 1907 at the time of a gold strike. He mentions several prospectors and discusses how Indians burned off the sides of the mountains to create easier passage to Gibson Pass. Whitworth lived in the Skagit Valley from 1903 to 1910. More stories about prospecting for gold around Yale and taking up land and prospecting at Stuart Lake. He describes what kind of man a prospector is: an optimist. The weather around Hope and how it affects the people working. The "Mill Run" around Hope is a ditch which runs at the foot of the mountain for irrigation. TRACK 2: Mr. Starret continues with more on Hope. He describes the school at Hope with stories about families such as the Bears, how the children dressed, and stories about what the day consisted of. Mr. Starret offers other childhood memories such as milking cows, learning to hunt, sapping trees, a particularly harsh winter, and life in the summer as a child.

CALL NUMBER: T0399:0005
RECORDED: Hope (B.C.), 1963-03-24 & 25
SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Mr. Starret continues with more stories about growing up in Hope in the 1890s, such as planting potatoes, riding horses, getting water for his mother with his brother Bill, turning hay and swimming. Then he tells a story about going up to the Nicola country to turn hay with his brother when he was twenty-one. He eventually got a job for Harry Gibbs at the Babine Salmon Hatchery in 1911. He tells a story about ordering a pipe to repair a leak and life at the hatchery that summer. Mr. Starret describes how flat boats took supplies all over the province. Mr. Starret tells the Indian (Babine Tribe, Stuart Lake Tribe) story about the legendary figure Astace and the creation of the Skeena River, as it was told to him. TRACK 2: Mr. Starret continues with his narrative about the origin of the Skeena River. Mr. Starret describes the landscape around Hazelton and the Skeena River. He discusses the differences in how white people and Indians treat their animals, such as pack dogs and horses. He talks about native people greeting Father Nicholas Coccola at Babine, and the schools, people and reserves in the area.

CALL NUMBER: T0399:0006 track 1
RECORDED: Hope (B.C.), 1963-03-24 & 25
SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Mr. Starret discusses boats: every boy knew how to row; all the fishing boats passing through Hope to get to Westminster; and native people's boats. More on mining in the area and the origins of names of places in the Hope region, with a description of the geography and people. He supposes that Hope was established before Yale and offers an explanation as to why. Soon after Yale became a more significant town. Mr. Starret tells stories of crossing lakes with Indians as guides. [end of 1963 interview]

CALL NUMBER: T0399:0006 track 2
RECORDED: Silver Creek (B.C.), 1964-07-02
SUMMARY: TRACK 2: Mr. Starret tells stories about Bill Bristol, a mail carrier from New Westminster to Yale, who employed an Indian crew to work with him. Mr. Starret describes Bristol's physical appearance and the way he acted. Mr. Starret tells a story Bristol told him about Mr. Starret's father as a young prospector who discovered a lead near Hope. More stories about Bristol.

CALL NUMBER: T0399:0007
RECORDED: Silver Creek (B.C.), 1964-07-02
SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Mr. Starret describes Bill Bristol's daughter, Maisie, who was sent to a private boarding school in Hope; she later married an old sailor named Bears and had six or seven children, all boys but one. He discusses Bristol's death in early winter 1909/1910. Mr. Starret offers anecdotal material about residents of Hope in the 1890s, such as Mrs. Flood (a school teacher), and physical features of Hope, such as the characteristics of picket fences. Mr. Starret offers further description of the Babine region while he lived there from October 1909: the Hudson's Bay posts and activities such as fur trading, the gold rush on McConnell Creek in 1908, stories of old timers; stories of getting into the area along the Fraser River and Dewdney Trail; more about the geography around Babine; mail carriers and what was involved in such an enterprise, a story about an old time prospector named Jim May who worked on Tom Creek and more old timers. TRACK 2: Mr. Starret talks about trading posts on the Skeena; the Babine Indians and times they had been attacked, raids, and a story an Indian woman told his mother about catching a wolverine. Mr. Starret tells an involved story of a trip he took one spring near Hazelton to locate a homestead, and experiences with Indians, including detailed geography. Then he tells the story of a journey to Round Lake to look at some land for his uncle which was being sold, including characters he met along the way and some geography.

CALL NUMBER: T0399:0008
RECORDED: Silver Creek (B.C.), 1964-07-02
SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Mr. Starret tells a story about 'Blaze' Rogers who blazed all the roads around Hazelton, and trips around the Babine region in all kinds of weather. Stories about life with his uncle, C.V. Smith, in Hazelton in 1909, including stories his uncle had told him about the Indians at Babine. [TRACK 2: blank.]

CALL NUMBER: T0399:0009
RECORDED: [location unknown], 1964-08-13 & 14
SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Mr. Starret describes the landscape and roads around Hope in 1900 by comparing it to what it is like in 1964. In his description, he offers several anecdotes including one about a Chinese man who died, Cariboo Joe Tunnel near Chapman, a dig of ninety feet below water to get to bedrock, men, Bill and Joe Lapworth and the Johnson family, who worked on the railway at Hope Station when he was a child in the 1890s, and stories involving the boat that the Johnson family used to get to school. TRACK 2: Mr. Starret continues his stories about the boat in which the family thought one of their uncles had died, but he returned. Mr. Starret describes the first roads built in the 1870s at Hope which went around the lake to Chilliwack, and the first settlements he can remember including Jones Hill, and names of local Indian reserves. Mr. Starret tells the story of how Catz Landing got its name by Captain John Irving and the story of Murderer's Bar in 1858. Stories of old timer Manuel Alvarez, who was from Chile and married an Indian woman, and his eldest son Tom Alvarez, and the first mail carriers in the area. The history of mail carrier Bill Bristol including his real first name, events in his life, land given to him as a wood yard, his route from Westminster to Yale until the railway came in 1885.

CALL NUMBER: T0399:0010
RECORDED: [location unknown], 1964-08-13 & 14
SUMMARY: TRACK 1: More stories about Bill Bristol and how he used to canoe to Yale before the road was built, and how he disliked paddling downstream. As a testament to Bristol's faithfulness as a mail carrier, he was given a watch with an inscription when he retired. Anecdotes about Steve Tingley who worked for the Barnard Express. Mr. Starret tells a story about the log cabin in the Otter Valley where Ed Tingley (Steve's nephew) lived. Mr. Starret learned to dance there in 1905. More on Bill Bristol and his problems taking a canoe upstream. More stories told to Mr. Starret by Bill Bristol, such as a bear shooting a man in a tree in Tete Jeune Cache during the gold rush. He describes the area where he believes Simon Fraser first landed. TRACK 2: Mr. Starret tells the story of a Hudson's Bay company worker named Greenwood, the man whom Greenwood Island is named after, and a story of Mr. Yates who was a clerk in the 1880s. Stories of reactions to the first telephone in the area, followed by a description of Mr. Yates and more stories about him. Mr. Starret describes the development of Hope and the migration route. He discusses cattle drives on the Yale road, and the need to burn timber to create land to feed the cattle in the 1860s.

CALL NUMBER: T0399:0011
RECORDED: [location unknown], 1964-08-13 & 14
SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Mr. Starret continues with more on cattle drives near Hope in the 1890s including how the cowboys dressed. Mr. Starret discusses the layout of Hope from his earliest memories, his family's ranch outside of Hope, old timers, the mill at Hope, and wagons used at the time. He describes the oldest hard rock mine in BC, which is nine miles outside of Hope, mined in the 1860s and called Silver Creek, and the trails nearby. The twenty-mile belt-line from Silver Creek to the railroad was built in 1906 by a man who died on the Titanic. Mr. Starret describes sporting events in the area, such as the horse races on May 24th. He tells a story of how sixteen-year-old Luke Gibson, of the Chilliwack Gibson family, was racing a horse whose leg broke in the race. More stories about race-day and killing a bear in Hope. TRACK 2: Mr. Starret tells a story about waiting for a steamboat and he mentions several characters in Hope such as Mr. Wardel. More on Murderer's Bar and the river nearby, the Walkum family and their land on Murray Creek; a ditch that collapsed and killed some Indians; Hope Mountain and the surrounding landscape. Mr. Starret offers his first impressions of Silver Creek and stories of how ore was discovered in the 1860s; Hugh Stoker was one of the first investors. A description of the mountains, Silver Peak and Holy Cross, and how they were named. Mr. Starret describes a hike up to the Eureka Mine with his father and his neighbor Fred Bears in August 1897, including details of the supplies they brought with them, plants they encountered such as hemlock bark, the campsite, the trail they traveled, and a stump they encountered which had a mark in it (which was still there when he revisited 50 years later).

CALL NUMBER: T0399:0012
RECORDED: [location unknown], 1964-08-13 & 14
SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Mr. Starret continues with his story up to the Eureka Mine with details of the meals they ate, more on the forks and geography of the trail, the cabin at the mine, dynamite and how to light it, spending the night in the cabin, morning at the cabin, the trail to the Victoria mine, Fred slipping on the hard snow, finding crystallized quartz and copper ore, searching out the Eureka tunnel, going home and details about Fred Bears. Mr. Starret discusses other camping trips and other thoughts looking back on the Eureka trip. He discusses how his father spent time looking for an ore vein, and the differences in the smells from a hay field to the timbers of the mountains. Mr. Starret discusses other mountains and roads near the Mr. Starret ranch. TRACK 2: Mr. Starret discusses weather: clouds on the mountains as compared to those in the northern interior, and a story about a dance and a hard snowfall of four feet, eight inches. Mr. Starret tells a story about being afraid of animals at night and details of beds, bedding, night clothes and customs when he was a child. He offers insight into freedoms and restrictions of his life as a child, such as what would be eaten for breakfast and the tap used for water.

CALL NUMBER: T0399:0013
RECORDED: [location unknown], 1964-08-13 & 14
SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Mr. Starret continues describing a typical day of what life was like in Hope as a boy in the 1890s: his father would get up and light a fire first thing in the morning and make coffee, shoes they wore as compared to shoes of the 1960s, feeding the chickens and ducks, and breakfast. Mr. Starret digresses and discusses his father's eating customs and his appearance, and Mr. Starret's impressions of his father when he was a child. Mr. Starret then discusses his mother's appearance, and her life as a teacher. Mr. Starret describes what life was like while he lived alone on the ranch with his father while his mother taught in Victoria. TRACK 2: Mr. Starret tells a story about when he and his brother Will were working on a ranch in September 1909 when his mother asked one of the boys to join her in a trip to Hazelton to stay with her brother. Mr. Starret joined his mother and explains details about the trip and what Hazelton was like in 1909, when he was twenty-one, his uncle's home, stories about what his life was like in the area, and traveling in the winter to establish a ranch.

CALL NUMBER: T1062:0001 RECORDED: [location unknown], [196-] SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Mr. Maxime George, a chief, speaking in the Carrier language, tells stories about the mythological figure Astace and other subjects, as well as singing some songs in his native language. [30 minutes] [TRACK 2: blank.]

CALL NUMBER: T1062:0002 RECORDED: [location unknown], [196-] SUMMARY: TRACK 1 & 2: Mr. Maxime George continues to tell old stories in Carrier, including stories about Astace. In English, he recalls his boyhood; the advent of deer and moose to the region, and their value; as food. He describes the native reaction to the first white men, and how they discerned that "whites" were human. Mr. George attempts to calculate his age; then he describes his employment deliver;ing supplies for survey crews of the Grand Trunk Pacific Railway. Then he tells the story of Simon Fraser from the Native perspective. [60 minutes]

CALL NUMBER: T1062:0003 RECORDED: [location unknown], [196-] SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Mrs. George speaks in Carrier for about ten minutes, then Maxime George continues, in Carrier, until the end of the tape. [30 minutes] [TRACK 2: blank.]

CALL NUMBER: T1062:0004 RECORDED: [location unknown], [196-] SUMMARY: TRACK 1 & 2: Maxime George and Mrs. George discuss a subject in the Carrier language, and then Maxime George speaks by himself for the remainder of the tape. [60 minutes]

CALL NUMBER: T1062:0005 RECORDED: [location unknown], [196-] SUMMARY: TRACK 1 & 2: This tape begins with a discussion between Imbert Orchard, Mrs. George and Mr. Maxime George about the latest [1960s] style of women's wear and hair. Then Mr. George tells a story in Carrier about Francis [Francois?] Lake, with his wife adding comments. Then, in English, Maxime talks about how his grandchildren do not understand their own language. He repeats the story of his job on a; pack train, supplying the surveyors of the Grand Trunk Pacific Railway. He discusses travel by canoe and scow; and his marriages. Orchard and George discuss the packer Cataline (Jean Caux) and the us;e of French by Hudson's Bay Company workers. Mr. George sings several songs in Chinook and explains their meaning. He relates a Carrier legend in English, then another in his native language. His wife; talks about the relationship between listener and story teller. [60 minutes]

SUMMARY: A program about Kitselas Canyon on the Skeena River; the native people who lived there; and the coming of the sternwheelers and the railroad. Voices heard are: Mrs. Veroca Godfrey, Mrs. Sim Dobie, Mrs. H.F.Glassey, Mrs. Annie Moberly, Arthur Clore, Arthur Fisk, and Wiggs O'Neill.