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A. Jim Bagley interview

RECORDED: Canmore (Alta.), 1984-10 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Started with Kananaskis Ranch (Seebe), circa 1925 to 1931. Kananaskis Lakes; handles hydro surveys in the 1920s. Trips along the Continental Divide described. Kananaskis Ranch horsemen; Ray Legace, Bob Baptie, Chet Hogan, Bill Matthews. History on construction of Assiniboine Lodge, 1927. Worked for Strom/Assiniboine Lodge circa 1931 to 1936; packing wrangling, cooking ski guiding. Clientele during Depression years. TRACK 2: Walter Nixon's operation in the Kootenays. Spent some years in Windermere area. Worked clearing the Spray reservoir, circa 1939. One summer spent at Scotch Camp (Red Deer River) for warden service. A step from a grizzly. Roof blew off Assiniboine Lodge. Bill Bagley worked for Claude Brewster. Soapy Smith: ranch, outfitted Columbia Icefields trip; for Byron Harmon/Freeman, 1924. Alvin Gwyne, Art Cartledge, Pat Worthington. Frank Philipp's outfit. Joe Johnson. Mike Crosby.

Alpha Legace interview

RECORDED: Richmond (B.C.), 1983-11 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Ray Legace (Alpha's husband) was born in 1895 in Hatzic Prairie, BC; his first year in Banff was 1917 and later worked for Pat Brewster. English party used collapsible bathtub on trip. Repeat American parties. Worked with Percy Bennett, Red Cathcart, Chet Hogan, Mr. Temple, Scottie Wright, Wattie Potts. Areas hunted. Some hunting clients. Ray started on his own in 1930. Poor business during WWII. Worked summers at Lake Louise after 1940. Dr. Weibrecht made filming trips. Peabody Museum collecting expedition at Skoki, 1951. Calgary Herald article, sleeping with a bear. Flour snow tale. Lagaces ran Skoki Lodge from 1950 to 1963. History of lodge management. TRACK 2: Packed for Alpine Club, Seattle mountaineers in Lake Louise are in 1940s and 1950s. J. Munroe Thorington made repeat trips. Rockefellers. 1929 climbing trip with Colonel Amery detailed in book. Van Heek book. Some business details and factors. Dale Carnegie. Surviving the Depression. Old outfitters from Banff, Pat Brewster, George Harrison, Jack Thomas, Jimmy Simpson, Elmer Jamieson. Alpha's arrival in Banff, 1929. Sir Norman Watson. Managing Post Hotel.

Andy Russell interview

CALL NUMBER: T4105:0043.1 RECORDED: Millarville (Alta.), 1984-10 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Grew up with a passion for reading, the mountains and horses. Bert Rigall, international reputation, taught Andy guiding, childhood accident, started in 1907, operated out of Waterton Park, 1910. Wilderness summer trips, fifty horses, covered from Flathead Valley to Kananaskis. Major five month trip, Fort Steele to Pine Pass in 1911. Guides license obtained in 1936. Guiding territory in BC was lower Flathead Valley and east tributaries, 1946 to 1960. Used local BC guides. Selective hunting for bighorn sheep. Providing a service. High international outfitters rating. Frank Dvorak. Exclusive outfitting rights in Waterton Park, 110 horses. Recollections and perceptions of grizzly. TRACK 2: Guided famous hunting writers. Wilderness photography. Exposure/experience with big game, horses. Snowstorm problems. Close calls climbing. His film "Grizzly Country": lecture tour for 11 years, making it. Career thoughts. Description of Frenchie Riviere; origins, trailed horses to Fort St. John.

CALL NUMBER: T4105:0043.2 RECORDED: Millarville (Alta.), 1984-10 SUMMARY: Frenchie Riviere (continued). Jim Riviere, George Gladstone's stream crossing story. Crowsnest outfits; Frank Dvorak, Martin and Mike Baher, Vensel Dvorak. Leo Rutledge. Recollections of recent conservation battle with oil companies.

Arthur Allen interview

CALL NUMBER: T4105:0001.1 RECORDED: Quesnel (B.C.), 1983-11 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Swift place in Jasper. Tonquin Valley, 1926. 1929 hunting trip. Climbing Mount Robson, 1924. The Flying Trestle (1931-31). Robson area. Climbing party to Mount Sir Alexander (Kitchi), 1929. Adam Joachim. Bert Wilkins. Curly Phillips; boats and operation, circa 1936; trapping; death in avalanche (1939); retrieving the body. Hargreaves family; Jack, Roy. Berg Lake trips. Brazeau Circle trip with Stan Kitchen 1934. Forty-day dude trips from Devona. TRACK 2: Country and wildlife north of Jasper Park. Wolf and game decline. Various trails. Trips for Jack Brewster. Some; guides/outfitters in Jasper. Big Grave Flats. George Hargreaves death/grave on Sheep Creek, 1936. Indian grave on Pauline Creek. Tuffer party to Jarvis Pass. Darryl Zanuck hunt (Willmore Wilderness), 1930. Zanuck bear hunt on Canoe/Columbia Rivers, 1932 or 1933. CALL NUMBER: T4105:0001.2 RECORDED: Quesnel (B.C.), 1983-11 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Zanuck hunt, continued. Ted Abrams. Death forced premature boat exit to Revelstoke. River guides mentioned. Eight Mile Canyon near Revelstoke. Four month collecting trip for Carnegie Museum, Pittsburg, 1945 and 1946. Dr. Toomey. Andrew Mellon. Cunningham trip, 1938. Cutter Laboratories, California, hunting trip. Chuck Chesser, outfitter. Topographic survey of Jasper Park north; boundary, summer of 1927 and 1928. Mr. H.F. Lambert, chief surveyor. Grant Hare, packer, left first trip. Prior problems. Frank Burstrom's supply hike. TRACK 2: Permits and licences. Guiding regulations. Sheep and goat north of Jasper. Abercrombie hunting party of Jack Hargreaves. Starting his outfit, 1946. Caribou, areas and decline. Working for Jasper warden service from 1959 to 1971, building cabins. Fording the Smoky River. Grizzly bear incidents. 1931 museum (King) party. Tent Fire. CALL NUMBER: T4105:0001.3 RECORDED: Quesnel (B.C.), 1983-11 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Tent fire continued. Harvey Crate. Buffalo horns found at Mowitch Creek and Glacier Pass. Old Indian campsites and smoke huts. Alex Nellis, warden. Cabins and chalet at Berg Lake. Charley and Dan Bolen. Tom Wilde. Charley McMurtry. Stu Anderson. Rufe Neighbor. Bert Wilkins. Beaver pranks. Hersch Neighbor. Harry Phillips and grizzly bear attack. 'Red" Creighton ran Black Cat Ranch at Brule. Fights recounted. Ranch at Hinton. Solo attempt on Mount Robson by Mr. Waffle in 1930. [TRACK 2: blank.]

Bill Bagley interview

RECORDED: Ghost River (Alta.), 1984-10 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Freighting supplies in Kananaskis Valley, winter 1931. George Pocaterra. Ray Patterson. Banff Park outfits used both east slopes and BC areas of the Rockies. Soapy Smith. Frank Philipps; hunted Elk Valley in the 1940s. First packing/wrangling was dude trips for Claude Brewster and Soapy Smith in 1936. Banff wardens noted. Travel and fire permits required. Foreman at Kananaskis Ranch after 1950. Worked for Bud Brewster's outfit out of Banff. 25 years of wintering horses in Ghost area. Size of Brewster's outfits. Johnny Boychuk. Jim Bagley. Trails in the 1930s were better than today. Some names; Rex Logan, Alvin Gwyn, Ollie Rasmussen, Jim Tegart, Albert Cooper, horse trip from Alberta to the Cariboo, 1935. Ollie Armstrong. TRACK 2: Various aspects of horse trips. Indians helped on short trips; not too dependable.

Chester Sands interview

RECORDED: Rocky Mountain House (Alta.), 1983-12 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Clarence Sands homesteaded west of Rocky Mountain House. Started guiding/outfitting in 1919. One client made 24 trips. Forestry pack trails. Areas worked, Nordegg and Brazeau Rivers. Mid 1920s fishing trips to Pinto Lake. Blackstone River and Job Creek used for 1930s hunts. Main hunting areas between Northern Saskatchewan and Brazeau Rivers used. One of pioneer outfitters in the region. Chester Sands started wrangling in 1947 and guiding in 1950. Family operation; four sons helped guide. Present hunting areas in Coral and Job Creeks. Clarence outfitted until 1952. Present day hunts and game potential. Ken Thompson and Del Wing outfitted geological surveys in 1940s. Surveys were all summer long and also within national parks. Brazeau River; game moved into park, outfits used for park trail. Whisker Creek. Ray Mustard. Wilderness area. Old forestry telephone line and cabins, Nelson, Mons, Bighorn, etc. Sam Sands outfit. Myrtle Sands Raivio was first woman outfitter in Alberta, circa 1940s. [TRACK 2: blank.]

Cliff Duke interview

CALL NUMBER: T4105:0008.1 RECORDED: Gordondale (B.C.), 1983-11 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Came west for harvesting in 1923. Timekeeping for Fred Brewster operation in Jasper, 1923 to 1927. Operated dairy in Jasper, 1927-28. Homesteading near Beaverlodge, 1929-1940. Monkman Pass (highway) work. Fred Brewster's operation: building Jasper golf course with 52 teams of horses, relocating CNR round house, tourist chalets and tours, "Pocahontas" (Miette) hot springs. Daily charges for hunting and dude trips. George and Jack Brester. The Neighbors. Otto brothers. Jack Hargreaves. First Jasper winter carnival in 1924: setting ski trail with Pete Withers, ski race, costume contest. Railroad surveys in Monkman Pass area. Kelly Sunderman. Monkman Pass highway trail work. TRACK 2: Henry Hobic, trapper. Alex Monkman, early trader, and origin of pass name. Monkman expedition: organization, work logistics, route description. Trapping area. Pack for Gulf Oil surveys, late 1940s. Onion Lake fossils. Gas seep. Volcano (sinkhole) near Jarvis Lakes. Description of Kakwa Lake area. Some cold sulphur springs. 1932 prospecting trip.

CALL NUMBER: T4105:0008.2 RECORDED: Gordondale (B.C.), 1983-11 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Carl Brooks died in a plane crash at Kakwa Lake in 1945. Tom Wilde. Met Hersh Neighbor during his pack move (1954) from Tete Jaune Cache. [TRACK 2: blank.]

Cora Mustard interview

RECORDED: Seba Beach (B.C.), 1983-12 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Will Mustard (Cora's husband) born in Nebraska in 1892; worked for Otto Brothers in Jasper, 1917. Started family outfit at Mountain Park with father, Harvey, and brother, Ray, in 1920. Advertised in American magazines. Brazeau was main hunting area. Rented saddle horses to miners. Moved outfit to Jasper in 1928. Did summer trips. Guides: Jack Denson, Bill Berry, Berle Berry, wranglers. Vern Mustard road foreman on Banff/Jasper highway construction. Move to McBride in 1935. Trip with Model T Ford. Owner of Boston Red Sox was client. Work on roads during the war. Moved to Drayton Valley later. [TRACK 2: blank.]

Eugene Merrill interview

RECORDED: Edson (Alta.), 1984-10 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Early trapping and moose hunting in the Peace River region. Local guides names. Worked for Stan Clark and Jack Hargreaves in the Jasper area, circa 1938. Art and Ken Allen were head guides. Other Jasper outfits in the 1940s noted. Tips given on summer and fall trips. Pat Smith, Ed and Frank Moberly. Cooks. Hargreaves' area was Sulphur River; trailed in from Devona. Red Ilee. Hunter's death recounted; taking out the body, etc. Worked for Red Creighton's outfit after WWII. Outfitting summer climbing trips, usually 14 days. TRACK 2: Larry McGuire. Transferred into pack troop at Prince George during WWII; specialized horsemen, packed mountain fighters for manoeuvers in mountain parks. Gene was a farrier. A 'unique' discharge. Wife cooked for various outfitters. Various wages for summer and fall trips. Guiding equipment. Fish story regarding Jack Hargreaves. Frank Burstrom and disappearing elk horns story.

Felix Plante interview

RECORDED: Entrance (Alta.), 1984-10 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Mark Truxler and Carl Lugar worked for him. Average trip was 30 to 49 days. Nine days travel one-way. George Hargreaves buried at Sheep Creek. Smoky River ford at Clarke's Crossing. Large caribou herds. $125.00 license allowed seven trophies, $25.00 per day cost. Tips better than wages. Abundant game meant easy hunting. Successful one-legged hunter and a $1,000 tip. A problem 300 pound 'chesterfield' saddle. Worked for Fred Brewster. Camp innovations; tents, cook stoves, heaters, folding tables. Family moved to mountains in 1914 and trapped on Berland River. Tracking a deer backwards. Forestry work circa 1915 to 1920. TRACK 2: Initially guided for Fred Brewster. Tim Vinson. Abe Rimmer. Guide had to cook on summer dude trips. Early Jasper outfits noted. Park guides license cost $2.50; Alberta one was $5.00. Art Allen. Len Jeck. Started own outfit on hunter's grubstake circa 1936. Summer trips used 60 horses. Adams and Henry Joachim. Retired at age 75. Home made panniers. Earl Anderson and tin panniers. Gunshot accident became unfortunate fatality. Unarmed encounter with huge grizzly.

Floyd Smith interview

RECORDED: Canmore (Alta.), 1984-10 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Had class A guide's license for 55 years, from 1924 to 1979. On the trail since 1918. Dad, Carl, had outfit in Blairmore; drove Golden Gate stage in Yellowstone Park, 1895 to 1900. Crowsnest area; hunted Castle River, Flathead and Elk Valley. Nordstrom Brothers, Cutch Charlie. Trailed over south Kootenay Pass. Mike Baher. Hot springs in Elk Valley. Areas hunted. Crowsnest background, Frenchie, Charlie (Chink) and Jim Riviere, Buckhorn ranch sold. Guided west of Turner Valley. Started guiding in Banff area for Claude Brewster, 1945. Others mentioned, Alvin Gwyne, Soapy Smith, Art Cartledge. Stoney Indians: rented their horses, good guides for elk, moose, etc. Trophy heads. Yoho Park horse concession with Johnny Boychuk, 1950 to 1954. Summer operation at Assiniboine/Marvel Lake in later years. Some packing for geological surveys, forestry lookouts. Southern Rockies name: Johnny Musgrove, Bert Rigall, Charlie hunter. Photo/lecture tours. Wife, Lillian cooked at Lake Louise, Lake O'Hara, etc. TRACK 2: Hollywood movie work mentioned. Guided for Fred Brewster in Jasper, 1948-49. Tom Vinson. Floyd covered much of Rockies from US border to north of Jasper.; Guided some big name clients. Prices and costs noted. Some reflections on pioneering horse use.

Frank Burstrom interview

RECORDED: Jasper (Alta.), 1983-11 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: 1930 ski trip from Jasper to Banff with Joe Weiss, Doug and Verne Jeffrey, Pete Withers. GTP railroad work camp and Red Pass, 1912. Moved to Jasper in 1919. Brewster trips and operations. Moose River trip, 1927. Jack Hargreaves outfit. Otto Brothers. Description of Curly Phillips. Phil Hageson and Oliver Travers snowshoe trip to Banff, 1931. Mid-1920s work on Jasper north boundary surveys. Art Allen. Warden service 1938 to 1966. Jasper Park Lodge. Park regulations. Cutting railway ties on Whirlpool River. TRACK 2: Cutting ties, continued. Bill/Ray Mustard. Brazeau warden district work. Hunting trip miscellanea. Horses vis-à-vis Jasper Park. Felix Plante. Ed and Frank Moberly. Palisades Ranch owners. Length of hunting trips. Sixty-four years residing in Jasper.

George Camp interview

RECORDED: Jasper (Alta.), 1983-11 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Came to Jasper area with work on GTP Railroad in 1915. Cooked for Jack Brewster in 1922. Trip re: first ascent of Mount Alberta, 1925. Cooked for Fred Brewster and Curly Phillips. Details of cooking on the trail. Trip with Jack Hargreaves. Adam Joachim. Bill Mustard. Indian grave on Cardinal River. Guides from Brule. Town site and CNR surveys. Bobby Jones, Jimmy Lambe. 1935 geological survey. Park warden, 1939. [TRACK 2: blank.]

Hersch Neighbor interview

CALL NUMBER: T4105:0017.1 RECORDED: Fort St. John (B.C.), 1983-11 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: A green kid's first trip wrangling in 1926. A cold forty day trip. Guided for 38 consecutive years. Included Jasper, Tete Jaune Cache, and Pink Mountain. Best game and horse country was ;north of Jasper. Territorial comparison. Curly Phillips was pioneering outfitter. Indians. Hunting territories overlapped at Kakwa (Porcupine) Lake. Various geographic names in Kakwa area / Sheep Pass meadows. Clark's crossing on Smoky River. Die-off of caribou. TRACK 2: Various trips in Jasper Park. Some Jasper outfitters. Brother, Rufe, started about 1918, later partner with Bert Wilkins. Description of Curly Phillips and operation. Ed 'Dad' Neighbor. Park guide badge 1921. Otto Brothers in Jasper. Magazine article. Family move with horses from Tete Jaune Cache to Pink Mountain in 1954. Outfitted from Pink Mountain for ten years. Description of his territory, rivers, game, trails. 1906 police trail noted. Eunice's (wife) involvement in operations. CALL NUMBER: T4105:0017.2 RECORDED: Fort St. John (B.C.), 1983-11 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Stan Russell's death and burial on Big Shale Hill, 1951. Plaque mounted. George Hargreaves' death and grave. Shovel superstition. Details of bear attack on Harry Phillips at Berland River; on Jack Powell at Prophet River. Blood poisoning incident on dude trip to Kakwa Lake, 1936 or 1937. A lucky wilderness operation on his leg. Changes in outfitting over the years, tents, cooking, stoves and heating, lamps, pack boxes. Game pressure and conservation today. [TRACK 2: blank.]

James Riviere interview

RECORDED: Twin Butte (B.C.), 1983-12 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Some humourous occasions and pranks on the trail. Johnny Krokennock, guide. Three types of dudes. Preferred Texans. Bert Rigall was old-time outfitter. Used upper Oldman River. Dave Simpson. Father outfitted parties north of Jasper, late 1920s. Dude trips out of Waterton Park, 1929. Prince of Wales horse concessionaires; Jack Bevans, Morris Brothers, his brother Rankin, Pat Brewster, Dave Simpson. His guides; Harold Fisher, Rex French. Wife cooked on most trips. Fees and wages. Some hunting areas noted. One hunter, by the name of Dunn, brought his own outfit. Characteristics of grizzly bear. TRACK 2: Hibernating bear story. Carl and Floyd Smith. Very few outfits worked in Alberta's southwest corner. Getting started and maintaining business. Reasons for quitting guiding. Criticism of present-day game management.

John Boychuk interview

RECORDED: Canmore (Alta.), 1984-10 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Started in early 1930s; worked for Pat Brewster, Brewster Transport, and Claude Brewster. Grew up in Cypress Hills. Various jobs in Banff from 1927. Pat Brewster outfit; Assiniboine camp, 200 head of horses, short dude trips. Horse assisted hiking trips in Larch Valley, Skoki. A 36-day sightseeing trip from Kananaskis Lakes to Lake Louise. Worked with Harvey Clark, Lance Reigher, Jim Moore, after WWII. Other outfits; Ray Legace, George Harris. One guiding territory was Simpson River; then Panther-Clearwater areas used. Bought horses from Stoney Indians. Yoho Park years and various horse concessions, circa 1948 to 1968. Floyd Smith was early partner. Regulation eventually restricted operation. Packed for Alpine Club in Yoho Park. TRACK 2: Some guides, etc.: Rex Logan, Alvin Gwynne, Ike Mills, Bagley brothers, Jim Burroughs, Brewster's 60th anniversary reunion. Slim Hogan managed the Ya Ha Tinda. Operating pony stable at Canmore.

Ken Allen interview

RECORDED: Kelowna (B.C.), 1984-10 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Worked for Curly Phillips in 1924; market garden and tourist boating. Seventy-day climbing expedition to Columbia Icefields in 1927; first ascent record, Swiss guides. Mount Robson. Description of Donald "Curly" Phillips; death in avalanche, tourist boat operations in early 1930s. Packing and guiding. Indian guides. Jack Hargreaves. Red Creighton. Head guide psychology. Grande Cache. Ken and wife worked for Ray Hargreaves at Mount Robson. First ascent expedition to Mount Sir Alexander in 1929. broken ankle tended by Dr. Gilmour. Mr. Waffle. Finished guiding in 1939. Jasper warden service in early 1940s, then CNR work. Train accident in 1951 at Canoe River killed 22 people. Harry Phillips attacked by grizzly. TRACK 2: Grizzly attack continued. Medicine Lake and Maligne Lake tourist boat concession circa 1931 to 1933. Phillip's dude trap line, 1927. Many wives did the cooking on trips. Chuck Chesser. Slim Fry. George Korsvik. Oswald Svensen. Otto Brothers. Joe Saladana. Boundary survey work, 1938. General guiding duties. Fred Brewster. Building laundry for Jasper Park Lodge. Other names; Max Hoover, Larry McGuire, Frank Burstrom, Adam Joachim, Dave, Frank and Ed Moberly. Summer dude trips. River fords. Memories of American hunters.

Ken Thomson interview

RECORDED: Rocky Mountain House (Alta.), 1983-12 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Trapped with Ray Mustard in 1939. Guided for Waddy Watson, Ed Sherbick, Ray Mustard. Most area outfitters focused on area south of Brazeau River. Outfitting surveys complemented hunting. Previously cooked and packed. Cold Lake military range, 1952. Survey work. Surveyors names. Northern Rockies outfitters; Jim Beattie, Leo Rutledge, Mel Kyllo. Ran big operation, three outfits, 100 horses, Ed Mackenzie and Ed Hitchings helped. Hunting parties, length, sheep main objective, Cariboo closed off. Outfitter requirements detailed (regulations). Some cooks and guides noted. Ray Simpson's green grizzly. Description of Brazeau/Job country, campsites, saddle horse. Good mountain sheep areas identified. TRACK 2: Elk. Pinto and Job (Wilson) Lake fish. Packed throughout the Rockies. 113 day geological party in Monkman area. Natural gas seeps. Sulphur springs. Trapping. Death on MacDonald Creek. A ton ten Mexican hunter. Backcountry curios; totem pole, elk antler pile, telephone line horns. Sold outfit in 1957. Son drowned on the Smoky River in 1952.

Larry McGuire interview

RECORDED: Vernon (B.C.), 1983-11 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Worked for Fred Brewster and Medicine Lake, 1932. Description of Harry and Curly Phillips' operation. Brewster had 380 horses. List of outfitters operating from Jasper town site, late 1920s. Family moved there in 1924. Adam Joachim. Jasper Rodeo and Turf Club. Jack Hargreaves packed for the Alpine Club. Aspects of the Maligne Lake Area. Worked for Stan Kitchen from 1936 to 1938. Other guides. American hunters. Mr. A.C. Willoby (Palisades). First outfit with Red Creighton 1945. Black Cat Ranch. North Boundary dude trip. Dennison and Britton outfitted at Mount Robson. TRACK 2: Louie Delorme. Variations on North Boundary trip. George Foley, warden at Devona. Overnighting horses. Advantages of pyramid and baker tents. Eddie Moberly. Larry McGuire worked for national park warden service from 1949 until his retirement.

Mathias Baher interview

RECORDED: Sparwood (B.C.), 1984-10 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Family arrived at Elk Valley in 1902. Worked in coal mines at Luscar, 1923. Two winters trapping in the NWT. Brother Martin, Joe Vlasak and Mathias started outfit, 1929. Early Elk Valley; outfitters/guides; Chancy Smith, Billy Boivin, Neil MacQuarrie, Charley Nordstrom. Hornaday/Phillips trip, 1905, one of the first sporting trips, employed Charlie Smith, Mac and John Narbou, Hugglestone; see "Campfires in the Canadian Rockies" (1906). Old Kootenay outfitters; Art Nichol, Peter Lum. Numerous outfits used the Bull River area. Mathias had 26 horses. Max Ebert. A local shooting incident. Harry Kylar cooked. TRACK 2: Description of guiding territory; Elk Valley, Fording River, Cadorna Creek. Handles two parties simultaneously. Start of Local Guiding Association, circa 1950. Accessing his territory. Trip Length. Cabins used for hunting and trapping. Alberta area: Buffalo Head Ranch. Alberta outfits using BC areas: Frank Philipps, Elk Lakes, Andy Russell, Flathead, Vensel Dvorak. Evolution of access, guiding and hunting pressures in the region. Record trophy heads obtained. Early motion pictures of hunting. His autobiography, "Life and Times of an Elk Valley Sourdough" discussed. Revised edition.

Max Hoover interview

RECORDED: Nanaimo (B.C.), 1984-10 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Guided in Jasper/Robson region between 1925 and 1931. First wrangled for Stan Kitchen. Guides' regulations and responsibilities. Preparation of capes, horse tending. Various hunting trips and durations. Guides paid $10.00 per day. Wounded game. Excellent female hunter remembered. A typical four-hunter party, arrangement and logistics. Murray Cochrane. TRACK 2: Newspaper articles and reminiscences. Hargreaves outfit. Guided with Art and Ken Allen. Hargreaves outfit. Guided with Art and Ken Allen. Hargreaves family, Dick, Ray, George and Frank. Oliver Travers. George Korsvik. Walter Cochrane. Country in Mount Robson region noted. Curly Phillips. Jasper/Lake Louise summer trips for Brewster. Chuck Chesser.

M.F. Creighton (et al.) interview

RECORDED: Brule (B.C.), 1983-12 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: M.F. "Red" Creighton started in 1929 with Hughes and Kitchen outfit. Partnership with Stan Kitchen. Snake Indian River access to hunting area. Jud Groat wrangled for his father's (Tommy) outfit in 1920's. Stan Clark and Jimmy Smith Partnership. Separate Brewster operations. rides to Lake Louise in the 1930s. Some guides and outfitters from Jasper and Entrance area. Summer trip routes. Guides' wages. CNR photographers. Maligne/Medicine Lake chalets. Main hunting area; wardens, cabins, routes, meadows, Indians. Names of old guides, packers, and cooks. Jack Hargreaves. Tom Vinson got started in 1940. Black Cat Ranch. Geological party work. TRACK 2: Discussion of corporate and federal geological surveys. Exploration for gypsum north of Jasper Park. [Note: Jud Groat born in 1906 at Brule, Alberta.]

Oliver Travers interview

RECORDED: [location unknown], 1984-01 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: First ever snowshoe trip from Jasper to Banff with Phil Higgeson in 1931. Won Banff winter carnival event. First trip in Jasper, 1925. Worked on park roads and telephone lines on Whirlpool and Snake Indian Rivers. Cooked for Stan Clark, 1926. Dude trips; good tips, triangle tour, fishing. Hargreaves' outfits. Deaths of George and Frank Hargreaves. Death aborted Daryl Zanuck's bear hunt in 1933. Trapping in 1927/28. Death Rapids on Columbia River. A long snowshoe trip. TRACK 2: Recollections of a guides' hunting trip with the Hargreaves near Mumm Creek. McDonald Meadows. A $100 Hollywood tip. Guides wages and hunting fees. North Boundary survey; packing gear and film for $3.60 a day. Bill Blackman guided out of Valemount. Hargreaves employees; Harvey Crate, Art and Ken Allen, Bob L'Estrange, Charley Blackman, Don Giles. Berg Lake; grave, dude trips, cabins and lodge. Tom Wilde. Some Northern Rockies outfitters. Jim Lamb, Ed and Frank Moberly. Quit guiding about 1934. Bedaux expedition.

Pete Bifano interview

RECORDED: Sundre (Alta.), 1984-10 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Rex Logan sold horses to miners in Nordegg, Cadomin, etc. Albert Gooey guided for Peter McKillop in local area, Charley Siegfried. Ed Grabiec outfit. Peter worked with Grabiec, Ed Sherbic, Ken Thomson, Johnny Kosteniuk, Herb Blake, Nordegg. Had two strings and mainly worked north of the North Saskatchewan River; Coral, Job and Opabin Creeks. Description of Upper Macdonald watershed. Open hunting gave way to an abundance of outfits/competition. Ken Thomson. Later oil company trips; good pay, hard on the horses. Tough work and bad conditions in the Monkman area. Some favored hunting areas. Fossils. Old Indian Camp on the Bighorn River. Joe Bifano, father, outfitted until circa 1936-37. Used Indian guides from Bighorn Reservation. Packhorse killed by lightning on Sunset Pass, one drowned crossing Brazeau River; broken ribs. [TRACK 2: blank.]

Pete Lum interview

RECORDED: Premier Lake (B.C.), 1984-10 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: His beginnings: Kettle Valley to Fort Steele. Art Nicol's outfitting operation. One of the first in the Kootenays. Pete started wrangling. Originally used teepees. Winter and summer work. Collecting mountain goat for New York zoo. Other region guides; Jimmy White, Charley Stevens, A.B. Fenwick. Brother, George, helped guide. Trapping and other work. Summer dude rides at Lake Louise, 1929 to 1939; trailed horses in from Fort Steele. Various trails/routes used at Lake Louise. Hunters and guides fees. Designated hunting territories, circa 1948. Doyle Reay. Operated outfit out of Premier Lake after WW II until retirement at age 80. Gold mining at Wild Horse Creek in 1925. Father had general store at Fort Steele. TRACK 2: Other work done. Packed for mining exploration in Lardeau area circa 1937. Names of other Kootenay guides.

Rex Logan interview

RECORDED: Sundre (Alta.), 1984-10 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Dad and Rex (1939) worked for Brewster's Banff outfit. Art Cartlege. Guy Thomas Cooked. Guided for Stan Kitchen in Jasper, circa 1944. Sold horses to miners in towns between Sundre and Jasper. Tom Vinson. Canol Project, 1943. Some 1940s outfitters; Jerry Verhaege, Del Wing, Eddy Grabiec, Stewart Kidd, Ravio. Old trails and forestry telephone wire. Worked 1944 to 1948 in Jasper. Some Jasper outfits. Hunting territories north of Jasper Park. Politics/regulations. Most hunting trips lasted a month. Summer trips were easier but paid less. Tourist rides. Some on Columbia Icefields with sharp-shod horses. Alaska Highway work. Tom Wilde had major contract on Canol Road and employed Jasper-Banff guides and wranglers at $7 to $9 per day. Had hunting territory in Yukon, 1965 to 1979. TRACK 2: Packing for oil company surveys (1950s) was profitable and covered all east slope areas up to Grand Prairie. Northern trails were Indian trails. Various aspects/logistics of survey trips. Wife cooked. Jim Simpson. Alvin Gwyne. Soapy Smith. Jeff Wilson. Jack Brewster. Red Creighton. Leo Rutledge, Ray Legace, Ray, Vern and Bill Mustard. Frank and Owen Philipps. Walter Nixon. Guy Thomas. Hersch Neighor. Stan Carr. Larry McGuire. Chuck Chesser. Len Jeck. Grizzly attack mentioned. Trophy heads.

Thomas Wilde interview

RECORDED: Rose Prairie (Alta.), 1983-11 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: First packed in Glacier Park Montana, 1924 - 1926, for largest outfit in North America, Bar X Six. 1100 horses and mules. Originally started by Bill Brewster. Followed Brewster work to Jasper in 1928, a booming place for horse work. Warner Brothers movie at Maligne Lake. Wardens and transiting hunter. Two deaths by grizzlies. A big Indian camp on the Smoky River. Other trips and trails. Some outfitters around Jasper. Abe Reimmer, Chris Redland were packers for Jack Brewster. First work in Northern Rockies, Prophet River, in 1932. Old police trail route noted. Hudson's Bay traders. Murders at Trimble (Deadman's) Lake circa 1925. Wilde did major outfitting/packing contract on Canol Road/Pipeline and for army. Curly Phillips saddle. Author James Oliver Curwood had used it. [TRACK 2: blank.]

Vern Mustard interview

RECORDED: McBride (B.C.), 1983-11 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Chronological overview of Mustard family outfitting circa 1914 to 1930 in Jasper and Mountain Park. Areas hunted out of Mountain Park. Hired help: Sid Erickson and Jack Jensen, cooks. Bill Berry, Abe Reimmer, Jamiesons, guides. Names of millionaire clients. Worked out of Jasper, 1927 to 1935, but always hunted east and south of the park. Jack Browning outfit. Packed for Alpine Club. Length of trips and organization. Names of popular Jasper outfitters of the 1930s. Description of Curly Phillips. Worked for Jack Brewster. Outfitting out of McBride, 1935, was short-lived. Access route to Divide noted. Mount Robson outfits. Area trappers, Bill Sweeney and Red Johnson, took some hunters. Noted American hunter. Business promotion. Jimmy Smith outfit. Attributes of Willmore Wilderness area noted. [TRACK 2: blank.]