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Provincial Archives of British Columbia audio interviews, 1974-1992 Forest management--British Columbia
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Gordon and Jack Gibson interview

CALL NUMBER: T2719:0001 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Gordon and Jack Gibson : the Gibson family (part 1) PERIOD COVERED: 1886-1939 RECORDED: [location unknown], 1977 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Mother's and father's personal background. Mother to Vancouver in 1886, father in 1896. Family's economic situation. Father (William F. Gibson) involved in Bridge River gold rush. Family in Yukon, 1903-05. G. Gibson born in Yukon, 1904. Family to Vancouver in 1906. Father's work history. Father a timber staker and cruiser. TRACK 2: Comments on the Vancouver real estate boom, 1912. Father; joined Forestry Corps, 1914. Odd jobs for young brothers. Father rejected for overseas service, 1915. G. Gibson goes logging with his father, 1917. Logging aircraft spruce during WW I. Building their first mill after WW I. Gibson family moves to Ahousat in early 1920s. The Gibson's on the West Coast of Vancouver Island: boats, the pilchard industry, 1925-32. Ahousat during the Depression.; CALL NUMBER: T2719:0002 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Gordon and Jack Gibson : the Gibson family (part 2) PERIOD COVERED: 1932-1952 RECORDED: [location unknown], 1977 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Description of Ahousat and the Native people. The purchase of the SS "Malahat". Anecdotes about the "Malahat". Hauling logs on the Queen Charlottes. TRACK 2: More anecdotes about the "Malahat". The end of the "Malahat". Logging airplane spruce during WW II. Dividing the work between the four brothers. Built sawmill at Tahsis after WW II. Building Tahsis. The Gibsons amalgamate with the East Asiatic Co. The Gibsons in the whaling business at Coal Harbour. CALL NUMBER: T2719:0003 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Gordon and Jack Gibson : the Sommers case (part 1) PERIOD COVERED: 1945-1960 RECORDED: [location unknown], 1977 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Continuation of the story of the Gibsons' involvement in the whaling industry. Gibsons sell out completely to the East Asiatic Company, 1952. Relations between the Gibsons and East Asiatic, 1948-52. Jack Gibson's political career: Gibson's predecessor A.W. Neill; 1945 nominating convention; Gibson MP, 1945-53; Gibson sat as an independent; comments on his communist seat-mate Fred Rose. How Gordon Gibson came to run in 1953 provincial election. G. Gibson's position before the Sloan Commission. Anecdotes about the 1953 election campaign. TRACK 2: Improper granting of FMLs under the Coalition government, 1947-52. The role of campaign funds. Discussion of the Sommers case. Gibson's resignation over the Sommers case. Gibson's defeat in 1955 by-election. Gibson feels Social Credit party involved in FML scandal. Discussion of the "money talks" speech, 1955. Sammy Craig and BCFP incident. Story of G. Gibson's address to UBC forestry class. CALL NUMBER: T2719:0004 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Gordon and Jack Gibson : the Sommers case (part 2) PERIOD COVERED: 1948-1958 RECORDED: [location unknown], 1977 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Comments on the Sloan Commission hearings. Bob Filberg of Canadian Western Forest Industries was the campaign funds "collector" for the Coalition from the forest industries. Circumstances surrounding the granting of FML #2. Why the Gibson brothers did not apply for an FML. Comments on R. Sommers' gambling. Gambling with people in the forest industry. Gordon Gibson recalls discussing FMLs with W.A.C. Bennett. H.R. MacMillan opposed to FMLs at one time. Anecdote about Gordon Gibson being ejected from the B.C. Legislature, 1955. The Lord Commission, 1955, discussed. The people involved in the hearings: Arthur Lord, Alfred Bull, T.W. Brown. TRACK 2: Ron Howard, Gibson's lawyer. G. Gibson's reaction to the findings of the Lord Commission. Comments on Bonner's role. Positive assessment; of Judge Arthur Lord. The Lillooet by-election, 1955. Anecdotes about the by-election campaign. The Gibsons' connection with David Sturdy. Discussion of Sturdy and Charles Eversfield. Meetings to discuss the Eversfield evidence with the Gibson brothers, Ron Howard, Tommy Gold, Stuart Keate and Donald Cromie. Payments to Sturdy. Comments on Sturdy's judgement. Comments on Eversfield. RCMP Inspector W.J. Butler. CALL NUMBER: T2719:0005 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Gordon and Jack Gibson : the Sommers case (part 3) PERIOD COVERED: 1953-1958 RECORDED: [location unknown], 1977 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Comments on the "money talks" speech. Discussion of the presentation of the Eversfield evidence to the Sloan Commission, Dec. 1955. The role of Charles Locke, the Sloan Commission counsel. The Gibsons have never seen the Butler Report. J. Gibson asked federal Justice Minister Stuart Garson to see the Butler Report but was refused. Discussion of the Tahsis Company in the Butler Report. The role of C.D. Orchard and the Forest Service. Davie Fulton, federal Justice Minister, put pressure on the Sommers case. Implications of Sommers case for Jack Gibson's role as a Liberal party fund-raiser. TRACK 2: Payments from Gibson to Sturdy. Peripheral involvement of James Sinclair, Johnny Fairburn and Sid Smith. Gibson has no specific knowledge of the alleged payoffs to keep Sommers out of the country. Gibson did not attend trial. Comments on the role of C.D. Scultz. Gibson did not know the Gray brothers. No ministers other than Sommers benefited personally from the bribery scheme. The Gibson brothers considered applying for an FML. Gibson cannot recall details of meeting with Sommers prior to famous speech. Miscellaneous comments. (End of interview);

Mason Gaffney interview

CALL NUMBER: T2301:0001 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Personal background and a career in economics PERIOD COVERED: 1923-1972 RECORDED: [location unknown], 1976 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Mr. Gaffney was born in 1923 in White Plains, N.Y. Discusses personal background, early education, post-secondary education at Reed College (Portland, Oregon) and UC Berkeley. Completed PhD in 1956. Taught in Oregon, North Carolina, Missouri and Wisconsin, 1953-1968. Description of major research. TRACK 2: Sustained yield forest management in British Columbia discussed. Started work for Resources for the Future, Inc. in 1968. Discussion of RFF policies and research. CALL NUMBER: T2301:0002 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Resources for the Future and early experiences in British Columbia PERIOD COVERED: 1972-1976 RECORDED: [location unknown], 1976 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Met Robert Williams first in 1967 at a conference in Milwaukee. Gaffney contacted shortly after 1972 election. Incident regarding mineral leases, fall 1972. Discussion of the "style" of the NDP government. Gaffney's visits in the fall and spring, 1972 and 1973. Visit by Barrett and Williams to Washington and attendant problems. Conditions under which Gaffney came to B.C., 1973. TRACK 2: Details about a letter from Williams to Gaffney, May 1973, concerning the establishment of the B.C. Institute for Economic Policy Analysis. Feelings on leaving Resources for the Future in 1973. Discussion of the proposed structure of the BCIEPA and Gaffney's reservations about it. CALL NUMBER: T2301:0003 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Working with the NDP government : 1972-75 PERIOD COVERED: 1973-1976 RECORDED: [location unknown], 1976 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Continuation of the discussion of the structure of the B.C. Institute for Economic Policy Analysis. Conflicts with R. Williams over hiring policy. Anti-American feelings encountered by Gaffney. Deteriorating relationship between Gaffney, Williams and Barrett. Early projects: forest policy, communications policy, municipal finance. TRACK 2: The role of Marc Eliesen. Gaffney's assessment of his status with NDP cabinet ministers. Influence of R. Williams with other ministers, especially Leo Nimsick, Lorne Nicholson, James Lorimer, David Stupich. Discussion of marketing boards for agricultural products. Gaffney's belief in the free market. The goals and aims of BCIEPA: 1) reforming the tax system. CALL NUMBER: T2301:0004 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): The goals of the B.C. Institute for Economic Policy Analysis PERIOD COVERED: 1972-1976 RECORDED: [location unknown], 1976 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: The goals and aims of the B.C. Institute for Economic Policy Analysis continued: 1) reforming the tax system; 2) elimination of cross-subsidies; 3) improve allocation of the government budget; 4) improve B.C.'s employment picture. TRACK 2: 5) enhancing the quality of the environment. CALL NUMBER: T2301:0005 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): The goals of the B.C. Institute for Economic Policy Analysis (cont'd) PERIOD COVERED: 1972-1976 RECORDED: [location unknown], 1976 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: The goals and aims of the B.C. Institute for Economic Policy Analysis continued: 5) enhancing the quality of the environment continued; 6) elimination of waste in government spending, especially in the transportation systems of B.C.; 7) the study of industrial organization. TRACK 2: Industrial organization continued; 8) improve the operation of the marketplace (and a discussion on the proposed public ownership of B.C. Telephone Company and the rate structure of the Insurance Corporation of B.C.); 9) the creation of a more capable public service. CALL NUMBER: T2301:0006 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Gaffney's role on government committees and commissions, 1972-76 PERIOD COVERED: 1972-1976 RECORDED: [location unknown], 1976 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: The goals of the B.C. Institute for Economic Policy Analysis continued: 9) the creation of a more capable public service, continued. Gaffney's mixed relations with B.C. journalists especially Jim Hume and Allan Fotheringham. Investigations into the tree farm license system. Discussion of the Commission of Inquiry into Property Taxation. TRACK 2: More about the Commission of Inquiry into Property Taxation. Anti-American comments by Don Phillips. Circumstances surrounding Gaffney's resignation from the Commission of Inquiry into Property Taxation. CALL NUMBER: T2301:0007 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): The B.C. Institute for Economic Policy Analysis, 1975-76 PERIOD COVERED: 1972-1976 RECORDED: [location unknown], 1976 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Discussion of the Board of Governors of the B.C. Institute for Economic Policy Analysis and the personnel of the board. Gaffney appointed Executive Director of BCIEPA, May 1975. Activities of BCIEPA between May and December, 1975. Consequences of the 1975 election. The roles of the members of the Board of Directors in the demise of BCIEPA. TRACK 2: Details about the demise of BCIEPA. Summary remarks about Robert Williams. General summary and regrets. Comments about the political approach of Dave Barrett. New positions for the staff of BCIEPA. (End of interview)

Ray Williston interview : [Reimer, 1975 : part 2]

CALL NUMBER: T1375:0008 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): A Cabinet Minister in the 1950s PERIOD COVERED: 1956-1971 RECORDED: [location unknown], 1975-10-07 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: The granting of a tree farm licence in Squamish in late 1960s. Chief Justice Gordon McGregor Sloan and the Royal Commission on Forestry report, 1957. Sloan appointed permanent advisor on forestry, 1958. Relations between Sloan and Williston. Sloan's death in 1959 and associated problems, including unfinished assignments. Opposition to the TFL system by smaller logging companies. Williston's rejection of their arguments. TRACK 2: More on small operators' opposition to TFL policy. "Contractor clauses" in TFLs. Small loggers in B.C. Centennial celebrations of 1958. Role of L.J. Wallace and the centennial committee. CALL NUMBER: T1375:0009 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Royal visit 1958 and the Wenner-Gren plans PERIOD COVERED: 1956-1960 RECORDED: [location unknown], 1975-10-07 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Centennial celebrations, 1958. Details and anecdotes about Princess Margaret's visit, 1958. Other centennial events. Williston less involved with later centennial celebrations. Northern development in B.C. and Williston's role in promoting it. Williston's ideas about industrial development in B.C. TRACK 2: More on northern and industrial development. Wenner-Gren in British Columbia: Memorandum of intent, 1956, details about the original contacts, necessity of the letter of intent, Hydro power investigations, role of Percy Gray in the original conception of the development, the actual negotiations between the government and Bernard Gore and Burger Strid, roles of Williston, Bonner, Gunderson and Bennett in the negotiations, opposition to the agreement from press, legislative opposition and B.C. and Yukon Chamber of Mines, questions about Wenner-Gren personally. CALL NUMBER: T1375:0010 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): The plans of Wenner-Gren and the Columbia River Treaty PERIOD COVERED: 1954-1960 RECORDED: [location unknown], 1975-10-07 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Reaction to Axel Wenner-Gren. Role of Einar Gunderson and potential conflict of interest. Williston meets Wenner-Gren, 1957. More details on Wenner-Gren development. The Columbia River Treaty: Williston involved from 1956 to 1972, positions held by Williston, roles of Bennett and Bonner. TRACK 2: Secondary role of cabinet in Columbia River Treaty matters. Bennett only concerned with larger implications of the treaty. Developments to 1956. Kaiser proposal to dam the Columbia, early 1950s. Kaiser proposal rejected by Gen. A.G.L. McNaughton. Williston's personal assessment of McNaughton. McNaughton's "anti-American" attitudes. The "McNaughton Plan" for the Columbia River and Williston's reasons for rejecting it. More on General McNaughton. CALL NUMBER: T1375:0011 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Hydro Electric Power Development in B.C., 1956-1960 PERIOD COVERED: 1956-1960 RECORDED: [location unknown], 1975-10-07 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Role of General A.G.L. McNaughton in the Columbia River Treaty negotiations. Details of the treaty negotiations from Williston's point of view. Key role of Art Paget. Government strategy in the development of the Peace River region. The importance of timing between the Columbia and Peace power developments. TRACK 2: Decision not to proceed with the Columbia development until after a start was made on the Peace. The two-river policy. Williston tours the province to convince people of the value of the two-river policy. More on the two-river policy. Planning and negotiations, 1957-60. Circumstances regarding the detailed report of Paddy Sherman. Controversy about the Sherman article. More on planning and negotiations, 1957-1960. CALL NUMBER: T1375:0012 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): The Columbia River Treaty PERIOD COVERED: 1956-1962 RECORDED: [location unknown], 1975-10-07 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Firing of B.C. Power Commission general manager Lee Briggs, 1957. Progress in federal-provincial negotiations, 1957-1959. Consideration of flooding in East Kootenay and Arrow Lakes areas. The; International Columbia River Engineering Board report 1959, and the options for developing the Columbia River. TRACK 2: Considerations about the Libby Dam proposal. Role of Ed Bassett in the treaty negotiations. Complex financing of the engineering studies for the Columbia River projects. Columbia River Treaty signed, January 1961. Anecdotes about the signing ceremony. The key positions of B.C. Electric Co. Problems of marketing power in B.C. and the United States. The importance of making a long-term sale of power to the United States. CALL NUMBER: T1375:0013 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Hydro Electric Power development in B.C., 1957-1963 RECORDED: [location unknown], 1975-10-07 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Discussion of negotiation of the Columbia River Treaty. The roles of other cabinet ministers and technical advisors. Williston's personal assessment of the Columbia River Treaty. Issues arising from the public hearings on water licences for the Treaty projects. The takeover of B.C. Electric and Peace River power development companies, 1961. TRACK 2: More on the hydro power takeovers. Williston on the new board of B.C. Hydro and Power Authority. Other board members. Gordon Shrum and Hugh Keenleyside as co-chairmen of B.C. Hydro. CALL NUMBER: T1375:0014 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Negotiating the Columbia River Treaty PERIOD COVERED: 1960-1975 RECORDED: [location unknown], 1975-10-07 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Gordon Shrum and Hugh Keenleyside as co-chairmen of B.C. Hydro. Clashes between E. Davie Fulton and W.A.C. Bennett. Negotiations for the sale of downstream benefits from the Columbia River. Delays due to federal election of 1962. Tenders for the Portage Mountain dam (Bennett Dam). Canadian ratification of the Columbia River Treaty. Relationship between Paul Martin (Sr) and Bennett. More on the sale of downstream benefits. TRACK 2: Sale of downstream benefits completed. Bennett not totally satisfied with the overall terms of the treaty. Williston's own unhappiness with regard to the division of flood control benefits. Federal-provincial negotiations on treaty implementation. Signing of the protocol to the treaty, 1964. Hearings before the External Affairs Committee, Ottawa. Peace Arch ceremony, 1964. Summary remarks about the treaty. Williston comments on the effects of inflation on the treaty. Information supplied during negotiations from Americans. No consideration given to power conservation.

Glen Patterson interview

The item is an audio recording of an interview with Glen Patterson.
T0509:0001 track 1: Mr. Patterson discusses his move to Nimpkish Valley as a fire warden, 1947; first sustained yield plan for the Nimpkish Valley, 1947-48; fire protection practices in the Nimpkish Valley; company attitudes toward forest conservation, 1940s; forest service view of company practices, 1940s. Changes in Nimpkish Valley forestry practices, 1947-56. Forestry reform brought about by the Sloan Commission Report, 1953-55. Progressive forestry practices of CFP in the Nimpkish Valley, 1947-56.
T0509:0001 track 2: Mr. Patterson discusses fire protection practices in the Nimpkish Valley, 1947-52; development of volume and yield tables for the Nimpkish Valley; tree farm license granted in the Nimpkish Valley, 1960; responsibilities of B.C. Forest Service and logging companies in forest management; public attitudes toward forest management; the work of forestry institutions at the provincial and national level; life in the Nimpkish Valley and description of Woss Camp, 1948-56.

T0509:0002 track 1: Mr. Patterson discusses women's lives in Woss camp, 1947-56 and the social divisions in camp life. (End of interview).