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SUMMARY: "Between Ourselves" was a weekly series of hour-long radio programs that presented Canada to Canadians. It featured aspects of Canadian life in docudramas, plays, music, and interviews, originating fr;om different regions of Canada. The series ran from 1966 to 1979. In this episode, "Ghost Towns", Jurgen Hesse explores three British Columbia ghost towns: Sandon, Quesnel Forks and Bralorne. Recolle;ctions and reminiscences are recounted by former residents of these mining towns.;

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SUMMARY: This program presents a trip from Clinton to Williams Lake via back roads near the Fraser River. It includes descriptions of the landscape along the way, as well as recollections about gold rush days, people and events in the area, and early days of Williams Lake. Voices heard include: Phyllis Bryant Kellis, Elliot Weisgarber, Tom Carolan, Albert Drinkell, F.W. Pinchbeck, S.H. Patenaude, and Bryson Patenaude.

SUMMARY: A program about development and industry in Quesnel from the end of World War Two to 1970, told in the words of contemporary residents. The voices heard include Mr. and Mrs. Justice Havelaer, Hubert Havelaer, Harold Marshall, and Peter Miller.

SUMMARY: "Between Ourselves" was a weekly series of hour-long radio programs that presented Canada to Canadians. It featured aspects of Canadian life in docudramas, plays, music, and interviews, originating fr;om different regions of Canada. The series ran from 1966 to 1979. This episode, "The Bryants", presents the story of the Bryant family and their experiences as settlers and ranchers in the Cariboo in ;the 1920s and 1930s. The voices heard are those of Phyllis Bryant Kellis and her children -- Jane Lehman, Caroline Moffat, Florence ("Bunch") Trudeau, and Alfred Bryant.;

RECORDED: [location unknown], [195-?] SUMMARY: Mr. Fred J. Tregillus, "the grand old man of Barkerville", recalls some of his early experiences in the Cariboo, 1880 to 1920.

RECORDED: [location unknown], [1955?] SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Mrs. Alice M. Earley talks about coming into the Cariboo from Victoria in 1884; the journey by steamboat, train, and horse-drawn wagon to Quesnel, where she had been hired to teach. The Conco;rd stages. She describes Quesnel in the 1880s: the town; the fur traders; pack trains; the Klondike gold rush of 1898; the telegraph line; a plot by the Chilcotin [Tsilhqot'in] people; Barkerville; Sir Matthew Baillie Begbie; the school teacher; coins; prices and automobiles of a later era. [TRACK 2: blank.]

SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Two short interviews with people of the Cariboo. (1) Mrs. Elizabeth Wendel, who came to the Cariboo in 1910, describes how she learned to ride and hunt, and recalls her first hunting experience of shooting a grizzly bear with a .22 rifle [ca. 8 minutes]. (2) The next interview is with an unnamed steamboat captain (born ca. 1874). In 1900, he was piloting steamboats for the Canadian National line between Victoria and Vancouver, and landed a new job running riverboats on the Fraser River between Soda Creek and Quesnel. After some blasting to clear rocks along the route, the service was extended to Prince George in 1909. Later on, two steamboats built by Foley, Welch and Stewart operated between Tete Jaune Cache and Prince George, south to Soda Creek, and up the Nechako to the site of Vanderhoof. He discusses the three companies running boats on the Upper Fraser: the Fort George Trading and Lumber Company; Foley, Welch and Stewart; and the BX (Barnard's Express) company. His account includes descriptions of the boat schedules and the boats themselves, which operated on the Fraser until 1920. The boats burned wood for fuel and had a crew of about twenty. Some discussion of passengers and freight carried. Stories about the packer Jean Caux, known as "Cataline". [ca. 17 minutes] (3) The final piece is an editorial by Willis about cowboy heroes on radio and television and in movies, as compared to the reality of being a cowboy. [ca. 4 minutes] [TRACK 2: blank.]

CALL NUMBER: T0164:0001 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Placer Mining and miners of the Cariboo, 1858 - 1920. RECORDED: [location unknown], 1964-04-17 SUMMARY: Captain Norman "Cap" Evans-Atkinson talks about placer mining and miners in the Likely area of the Cariboo, 1858 to 1920. TRACK 1: The miners coming to the Cariboo, circa 1858; sailors who became miners; types of gold; detailed discussion of placer mining along creeks, techniques, equipment, terminology; mining settlements; hard rock mining. TRACK 2: Story of John Likely, J.B. Hobson, and the Bullion Mine; Likely and his books; Cedar Creek; phases of mining; claim jumpers; Cedar City; details of the Cariboo fire of 1869; the Quesnel Lake dam.; CALL NUMBER: T0164:0002 RECORDED: [location unknown], 1964-04-17; 1964-05-05 SUMMARY: Captain Norman "Cap" Evans-Atkinson talks about Cariboo gold and gold miners, 1858 to 1930. TRACK 1: Miners in the backwoods; enmity between two miners; draft evaders; old-timers; Captain Mitchell's trail to the Barkerville gold fields; people at "Snarlburg" (French Snowshoe Creek); Murderer's Gulch; more on Captain Mitchell's trail; Angus McLean, who lived along the Quesnel River. TRACK 2: Story of how miners were guided by Indians, by the name of Tomah and Long Baptiste, to gold on the Horsefly River, beginning the Cariboo gold rush; potatoes brought in by Russian fur traders; hostility of Indians toward miners; massacre averted by Chief William; Indians co-operated with other prospecting parties; Long Baptiste guide/bodyguard for Judge Begbie; Long Baptiste probably had the earliest Cariboo gold. CALL NUMBER: T0164:0003 RECORDED: [location unknown], 1964-05-05 SUMMARY: Captain Norman "Cap" Evans-Atkinson talks about miners and other people of the Cariboo, 1860 to 1930. TRACK 1: Different types of gold found in the Cariboo; the Indians and the animals they hunted; caribou in the Cariboo; stories about a trapper named Franz who lived alone in the woods; Long Baptiste and Judge Begbie; more on Franz the trapper; eating porcupines; other stories about men living alone in the woods. TRACK 2: Captain Evans-Atkinson's background; came to the Cariboo circa 1912; Cariboo people; World War I service; impressed by Canadians; return to Cariboo; mining experiences; John Likely; gold strike above Quesnel Forks in 1921; staying at miners' cabins; the naming of Likely, more on John Likely, story of Bob Winkler, an old trapper; pokes, money belts; gold caches. CALL NUMBER: T0164:0004 RECORDED: [location unknown], 1964-05-05 SUMMARY: TRACK 1; Captain Norman "Cap" Evans-Atkinson discusses some aspects of the trapper's life in the Cariboo, 1912 to 1930. Finding gold caches; stories about old-time trappers living alone in the woods; their habits; coping with flies, mosquitoes, ticks; stories about Jack Glass, another old-timer; encounters with bears. [TRACK 2: blank.]

CALL NUMBER: T0314:0001 RECORDED: [location unknown], 1964-07-23 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Mr. Alfred Joseph Drinkell tells some stories about the history of the Dog Creek area of the Cariboo, from 1860 to 1914. Drinkell discusses his arrival in BC in 1911. He describes the ranches he worked at around Ashcroft, Joseph Smith's place, and his financial problems and life before he came to BC. He tells anecdotes about Judge Begbie. He tells a story about Samsome, a local doctor, and the legendary packer Jean Caux ("Cataline").

TRACK 2: Drinkell relates the story of Cataline's last trip and describes many trails in the area. He speaks of Joy Sim, a Chinese doctor, and pioneer medicine. He discusses some of Cataline's packers: Robbins, Wiggins Dan Smith, and the first settlers in the area. He describes the Hudson's Bay Trail, freighting, roads in the area, stories about Phil Grinder of Jesmond, a local school teacher, and educated people.

CALL NUMBER: T0314:0002 RECORDED: [location unknown], 1964-07-23 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Drinkell describes the early days of Ashcroft, the Chinese in the area, two anecdotes: the Wright of the Dog Creek Ferry and the Stobie of the Gang Ranch. He offers the background of the Gang Ranch and describes cattle drives, the Duke Of York, a Barkerville bartender, and local Indians.

TRACK 2: Drinkell discusses cowboys, social life and Christmas. Then he mentions Indian-White relationships and a story about Indians and the law. He discusses the Chilcotin and Shuswap Indians, problems with the reserve system, Chinese settlers in the Dog Creek area, and the importance of Chinese in the area. Finally, Drinkell tells the story of five Indian women who killed themselves over a white man, and how nails and gold dust were used as money.

RECORDED: [location unknown], 1964-07-20 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Mr. Russ E. MacDougall talks about gold mining and the Barkerville area, 1900 to 1940. Mr. MacDougall explains how he came to Barkerville in 1921. He discusses hydraulic mining, mining are as Barkerville area, Williams Creek and Lightning Creek, tunneling, claims, details of mining methods and comments on two old time miners, Bill Brown and Julius Powell. He comments about the population in the area, the names of mines and Barkerville.

TRACK 2: Mr. MacDougall talks about Barkerville; the people there, stories, his journey to Barkerville, transportation, road conditions, old timers in the area, ways of business, description of the stores, the old fashioned atmosphere, and social life in Barkerville.

RECORDED: [location unknown], 1964-07-20 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Mr. Alfred "Fred" William Ludditt tells the story of how he came to Barkerville in 1932. He describes the evolution of mining and mining equipment at Barkerville; Bill and John Houser's family; Johnny Butt; Chinese labourers; Andrew Kelly and the Kelly family, and the first Barkerville Museum, circa 1955. TRACK 2: Mr. Ludditt describes the Bowron Lakes Game Reserve, circa 1912 and Herb and Alf Brown. Then he tells anecdotes about Jack Campbell and Bill Livingstone; Seymour Baker; the government reduction works; the use of cyanide in mining; the recovery of magnetite iron, also known as "black sand"; Joe Mason; livestock; cattle and pigs; and the Chinese in the Cariboo.

RECORDED: [location unknown], 1965-10-28 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Mr. Harry Coldwell talks about his experiences in the Cariboo. Mr. Coldwell came from England in 1910 to Ashcroft. He worked as a carpenter in Ashcroft, Dog Creek and in the area. He describes Ashcroft; the Cariboo road; steamboats; the stopping house at Dog Creek and Joe Place, proprietor; the murderers Paul Spintlum and Moses Paul; a commercial traveler; the Gang Ranch; Carl Wycotte's cattle; Phil Grinder; Barkerville; and Big Bar Ranch. TRACK 2: Mr. Coldwell discusses dry farming in the area; the big cattle ranches; Albert Drinkell; and his own ranch at Jesmond. He describes; how the post office was established, and how mail was transported. The interview concludes with Mr. Coldwell's general comments on the area, people and his travels.

RECORDED: [location unknown], 1965 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Mr. Gussie Haller and Mrs. Maggie Haller of North Kamloops discuss their lineage in the Cariboo. Mr. Haller tells the story of his father coming to the Cariboo in 1858, as he settled at the Big Bar Creek; a trading post, now called the O.K. Ranch. His grandfather, Phil Grinder and the Grinder family also started the Jack Pine Ranch. They were dry farmers. Mr. Haller discusses smallpox; various people who were in the area, including Conrad Kostring; a description of dances and Christmas gatherings in the area. Finally, Mr. Haller tells the story of his father's pack train which traveled the Naas River.

TRACK 2: Mrs. Haller tells the story of her grandmother, the daughter of a Haida Chief. Her grandfather, Joe Tresierra, left Spain during a cholera outbreak and became a packer in BC. She tells the story of packers lost near Hazelton and a crossing bridge Yale. She describes her grandmother. She describes how the family lived in Clinton and how her paternal grandfather, John Miller, ran the ferry at Churn Creek. She describes high water; pet deer; the smallpox epidemic; and her grandparent's ranch. Then Mr. Haller describes how his father built a sawmill and dams. He describes his father's store and speaks of how his father packed supplies from Lillooet to Yale.