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Percy Richards interview : [Reimer, 1977]

CALL NUMBER: T1203:0001 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): B.C. Premiers : Brewster, Oliver, MacLean, Tolmie, Pattullo and Hart PERIOD COVERED: 1912-1960 RECORDED: Victoria (B.C.), 1977-03-16 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Percival Charles Richards discusses background: born 1904 in England; moved to Victoria, 1912; early career as a journalist in Victoria and California. Richards' experiences in Ethiopia ca. 1955-59 as the editor of that country's first free press newspaper. Richards' recollections of Premiers H.C. Brewster, John Oliver, John D. MacLean. TRACK 2: Richards' reminiscences of Premier Dr. S.F. Tolmie. Political consequences of the Depression of the 1930s. John Hart's problems as Minister of Finance in the Pattullo government. Anecdotes about John Hart and Duff Pattullo. The firing of Hart by Pattullo and the formation of the Coalition in 1941. Details about the formation of the Coalition government. Discussion of Richards' position on Hart's staff as a secretary cum executive assistant. More about the formation of the Coalition. Details about Richards' dismissal by the Bennett government. CALL NUMBER: T1203:0002 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Personal reminiscence of Premier John Hart PERIOD COVERED: 1936-1952 RECORDED: Victoria (B.C.), 1977-03-16 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Richards discusses: his dismissal by the Bennett government; more on the formation of the Coalition, 1941; negotiations between Hart of the Liberals and Maitland of the Conservatives; the deluge of work for the new provincial government, 1941-42. Hart goes through a depressed period shortly after becoming Premier. Hart's dealings with the Eastern financial community. How Richards' came to; work for Hart in 1936. Personal reminiscences and anecdotes about John Hart. Hart's appearance. Hart's athletic abilities. TRACK 2: Hart was a perfectionist. Hart's generosity toward people around him. Hart's regular poker games at the Union Club. Hart was a voracious reader, especially about economics. Richards arranged many private dinners for Hart. Hart's personal background. CALL NUMBER: T1203:0003 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): A political reminiscence, 1936-1952 PERIOD COVERED: 1936-1952 RECORDED: Victoria (B.C.), 1977-04-21 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: The generosity of Premier John Hart as revealed in anecdotes. The civil service role of political secretaries. Anecdotes about protocol. Royal visits, 1951 and 1939. More on protocol. Pattullo government and the Rowell-Sirois Commission. Role of G. Neil Perry as a financial advisor. TRACK 2: Story about political relations between John Hart and W.L.M. King. Antagonism of the federal Liberals to the Coalition government. Duff Pattullo, John Hart and the 1940 federal-provincial conference. Hart cautious in his dealings with the press. Contrasts between Pattullo and Hart. The 1941 provincial election and the formation of the Coalition. CALL NUMBER: T1203:0004 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): The Coalition government, 1941-1952 PERIOD COVERED: 1941-1952 RECORDED: Victoria (B.C.), 1977-04-21 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Continuation of the discussion of the formation of the Coalition government, November and December 1941. Problems of Coalition government. Details about compromise within the Coalition. More about the formation of the Coalition, 1941. Pattullo in the period, 1941-45. Incident in which Anscomb criticizes Doug Turnbull, Minister of Health, in the 1951 budget speech. Richards contends that this should have been the end of the Coalition. The break-up of the Coalition, January 1952. Hospital Insurance problems for the Coalition. Hart offers Anscomb the opportunity of making W.A.C. Bennett a cabinet minister, ca. 1945. TRACK 2: More on the 1951 budget speech incident. Comments on Boss Johnson as a political leader. Highways and public works used as a political tool. Ernest Carson as Minister of Public Works. The Coalition against the "patronage" system. CALL NUMBER: T1203:0005 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Anecdotes about British Columbia politics in the 1920s and 1930s PERIOD COVERED: 1933-1947 RECORDED: Victoria (B.C.), 1977-05-05 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Description of Premier T.D. Pattullo. Comments on Pattullo's secretary/assistant, Ben Hethey. Richards becomes John Hart's personal secretary, 1936. The press and press gallery reporters in the 1920s and 1930s. Bruce Hutchison. [TRACK 2: blank; end of interview]

Arthur F. Priestley interview : [Reimer, 1976]

SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Nass River Valley, 1907-1930 PERIOD COVERED: 1905-1930 RECORDED: [location unknown], 1976 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Arthur F. Priestley was born in 1887 in England. Immigrated to Canada in 1905. Experiences as a recent immigrant to Canada, 1905-1907. Rural work in Alberta. Settled in the Nass River valley, near Aiyansh, in 1907. Description of Rev. J.B. McCullagh, Anglican missionary of Aiyansh. Homesteading experiences. Travelling by freight canoe on the Nass River. TRACK 2: More on Rev. J.B. McCullagh and his missionary work with the Nisga'a Indians. Description of house fire, 1909. Start of homesteading in 1912 and 1913. Priestley opens a store on the Nass River new Aiyansh. Problems of homesteading. Food supply. Mail. Early settlers in the Nass Valley. Most homesteaders defeated by about 1918. Marries McCullagh's daughter in 1910, and sells out in 1930.;

Thomas S. Barnett interview

CALL NUMBER: T1360:0001 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Childhood and Youth in Alberta and British Columbia : 1909-1928 PERIOD COVERED: 1909-1928 RECORDED: [location unknown], 1977 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Born in 1909 in Red Deer, Alberta. Family background. The Barnett family in Alberta. Barnett family move to Vancouver, 1918. Barnett's education. TRACK 2: Eyewitnesses description of the return of Canadian troops to Vancouver. Growing up in Genoa Bay, Vancouver Island. Politics in the Barnett family. Barnett's uncle Alfred Speakman an MP. Barnett completed high school in 1925. Mother sick in the Provincial Hospital at Marpole/Oakridge. Worked in sawmills, 1925-26. Barnett spent one year in California, 1926-27. Entered UBC, 1927. CALL NUMBER: T1360:0002 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): A young man's experiences in B.C. : 1925-1942 PERIOD COVERED: 1925-1942 RECORDED: [location unknown], 1977 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Barnett as a student at UBC after 1927. The strong influence of Barnett's mother. Also influenced by his high school teacher, Arnold Webster. Met J.S. Woodsworth in 1929 and favourably impressed. Barnett considers entering the ministry, c. 1931. Barnett to the Cariboo as a lay minister, 1933. Effects of the Depression on the Cariboo. Barnett decides against the ministry. Activities of the Student Christian Movement at UBC. TRACK 2: The intellectual climate of Vancouver and UBC in the 1930s. Barnett not a member of any party in the 1930s. Barnett in the Central Interior, 1933-42. Barnett attracted to the Social Credit movement in the 1930s. Barnett a supporter but not a member of the C.C.F. in the 1930s. Friend of C.C.F. MLA John McInnis. Editor of the Wells Chronicle during the 1930s. Barnett moves to Port Alberni in 1942. CALL NUMBER: T1360:0003 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): The I.W.A. in the 1940s PERIOD COVERED: 1932-1953 RECORDED: [location unknown], 1977 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Barnett's observations on B.C. politics in the 1930s. Personal impressions of T. "Duff" Pattullo. Barnett a school trustee in Wells, c. 1937-1940. The educational system in Wells in the late 1930s. More about the Liberal government of Pattullo. Moved to Port Alberni in 1942. Joined C.C.F., 1943. Joined I.W.A. and became active in the union. Also on the executive of Credit Union and consumer co-op. TRACK 2: Barnett's work history, 1942-53. Barnett's opposition to the communist control of the Port Alberni local and the B.C. region of the I.W.A. The "cell" operation of the Communist Party. Barnett instrumental in the formation of an anti-communist "counter-caucus" within the Port Alberni local. Barnett tried and acquitted within the union as a union disrupter, 1945. Barnett a candidate in the 1945 federal and provincial elections. More on the communist / non-communist struggle within the Port Alberni local. Barnett's fundamental opposition to "monolithic" communism. Critique of the Communist Party of Canada by Malcolm Bruce. The defeat of the communists in the I.W.A., 1948. CALL NUMBER: T1360:0004 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Federal politics in the 1940s and 1950s PERIOD COVERED: 1942-1957 RECORDED: [location unknown], 1977 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Communist leaders in Port Alberni: Alfred Dewhurst, Mark Mosher, Nigel Morgan. Communists not successful in infiltrating the C.C.F. in Port Alberni. Relations between the C.C.F. and the Communist Party. Most Scandinavians were social democrats. The 1945 federal election. A.W. Neill, the former member for Comox-Alberni. More on the 1945 federal election. Did not run in 1949. The Japanese-Canadians as an issue in the 1945 election. TRACK 2: More on Japanese-Canadians. The federal election of 1953: Barnett elected for the first time. Election night, 1953. Took leave of absence from his job at Tahsis Company immediately after election. Barnett's personal financial situation, 1953. Salaries of MPs. Barnett's first trip to Ottawa, 1953. Initial impressions of Ottawa. Getting used to Ottawa. CALL NUMBER: T1360:0005 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): (untitled) PERIOD COVERED: 1953-[no date] RECORDED: [location unknown], 1977 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Living arrangements in Ottawa: The Coburg Street Caucus. Introduction to the House of Commons. Parliamentary openings described. Throne Speech debate described. Barnett's maiden address. Parliamentary decorum in the 1950s. The issue of the recognition of the People's Republic of China. The Quebec "Independents". Barnett's seat in the House of Commons. The "lobbies" of the House of Commons. Informal co-operation between the parties. The development of "question period". TRACK 2: [blank?] (End of interview.)

J.F.K. English interview

CALL NUMBER: T1364:0001 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): A career in B.C.'s educational system (part one) PERIOD COVERED: 1925-1939 RECORDED: [location unknown], 1974-10-03 SUMMARY: This tape begins with Dr. English's early years as a student, then his early career in education as a teacher and principal. Discusses Putnam-Weir Report. Effect of Depression on education. CALL NUMBER: T1364:0002 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): A career in B.C.'s educational system (part two) PERIOD COVERED: 1935-1945 RECORDED: [location unknown], 1974-10-03 SUMMARY: Dr. English describes changes in education in the 1930s, and his experiences as a school inspector in the Peace River school district. CALL NUMBER: T1364:0003 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): A career in B.C.'s educational system (part three) PERIOD COVERED: 1943-1962 RECORDED: [location unknown], 1974-10-03 SUMMARY: Dr. English discusses his experiences as an inspector in Trail-Rossland district, and the differences between this district and the Trail school board. Talks about the problem of Doukhobors' refusal to send their children to school. Implementation of Cameron Report in the Greater Victoria area. CALL NUMBER: T1364:0004 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): A career in B.C.'s educational system (part four) PERIOD COVERED: 1946-1963 RECORDED: [location unknown], 1974-10-03 SUMMARY: Discussion of advantages and disadvantages of re-organization according to the Cameron Report. Discussion of changes in organization of the Department of Education, and changing responsibilities of officials. Policy decision under Social Credit government. Curriculum revision. The Chant Report. CALL NUMBER: T1364:0005 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): A career in B.C.'s educational system (part five) PERIOD COVERED: 1945-1965 RECORDED: [location unknown], 1974-10-03 SUMMARY: Career as Deputy Minister of Education: discussion of implementation of Chant Report, of contribution of Ministers of Education, of changes in organization of Department of Education. Observations on the Legislature. General comments about trends in education and the preparation of annual reports. (End of interview)

Hugh Morrison interview

CALL NUMBER: T1366:0001 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Civil Service Commissioner 1945-1969 (part 1) RECORDED: [location unknown], 1974-11-14 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Family background and education. Career as teacher and school inspector. Appointment as Chief Personnel Officer. Early history of Civil Service. Reorganization Report 1945. Installing system. TRACK 2: Post-war employment situation. Cost of living bonus. Streamlining. Changing role of Commission. Coalition government and CSC. B.C. Government Employees Association and CSC. Salary settlements. CALL NUMBER: T1366:0002 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Civil Service Commissioner 1945-1969 (part 2) RECORDED: [location unknown], 1974-11-14 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Coalition government and collective bargaining. Advent of Social Credit and CSC. Social Credit and staffing. Grievance procedures. In-service training. Employees Safety Program. TRACK 2: Dismissal of Dave Barrett. New Provincial Secretary Wesley Black. New Government and CSC. Carrothers Report. Government opposition to collective bargaining. Ferry workers "strike". CALL NUMBER: T1366:0003 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Civil Service Commissioner 1945-1969 (part 3) RECORDED: [location unknown], 1974-11-14 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Collective bargaining issue. Salary discussions. 1972 Civil Service Report. Collective bargaining and paternalistic system. NDP government and British versus American civil service system. Retrospect. (End of interview)

Ida Clarkson interview

SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Ida Clarkson : Victoria High School project RECORDED: Victoria (B.C.), 1975-07-03 SUMMARY: Ida Clarkson was born on April 23, 1927. She graduated from Victoria High School in 1943. She discusses: Harry Smith; teachers; commercial program; army, navy, airforce careers for young adults; sergeant of airforce cadets; air cadet training, drills, uniforms, 1943; member of the stenographic corps; evacuation of Japanese students into the interior, 1942; irregular occurrences in school life directly related to the War; Glee Club; drum majorettes; school dances and high school graduation; dominant individuals.;

Laura Annie Moxon interview

CALL NUMBER: T1483:0001 - 0002 RECORDED: Williams Lake (B.C.), 1975-06-26 & 29 SUMMARY: An oral history interview with Mrs. Laura Annie Moxon, the daughter of John Edward Moore of Alkali Lake, B.C. Moore came to Alkalai Lake in 1875. In 1909 he sold his ranch and bought the Onward Ranch at the south end of Williams Lake. Mrs. Moxon was educated in Victoria (1897) and in the east. She and her husband owned the Maple Leaf Hotel in Williams Lake in the 1930s. She recalls her father, the Onward Ranch and life there, local schools, and irrigation, as well as the packer Cataline (Jean Caux) and James Pinchbeck. Alkali Lake was originally called Paradise Valley.

CALL NUMBER: T1483:0002 RECORDED: Williams Lake (B.C.), 1975-06-29

Tom Wayman live

SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Recording with Tom Wayman RECORDED: Vancouver (B.C.), 1975-07-02 SUMMARY: This is a recording of the studio session from which a mass produced tape cassette will be produced for MacMillan of Canada. The cassette will be issued with Tom Wayman's next book, "Money and Rain: Tom Wayman Live!" in fall 1975. It is of historic interest, as this is the first time a major book publisher in Canada has issued a tape recording of a writer reading his work. Most of the recording is devoted to Mr. Wayman's reading of poems related to working and life, and a discussion on the genesis of poetry. Live audience.

Robert Bonner interview

The item consists of 12 audio recordings of interviews with Robert Bonner in 1980.
T0244:0005 track 1: Robert Bonner discusses his personal and family background. Recollections of growing up and going to school in Vancouver during the 1920s and 1930s. Important influences during his early years. The effect of growing up during the Depression. Early interest in politics. Criticism of socialists. Recollection of political action during his days at UBC. Work experience during his student days. Comments on his ambition to be a lawyer from an early age. Undergraduate experience at UBC.
T0244:0005 track 2: Robert Bonner recounts his reaction to the outbreak of WWII. Training as an officer with the Seaforth Highlanders. Discussion of his service overseas. Being wounded during the invasion of Italy and convalescence in England. Return to Canada and assumption of the duties of Training Officer with the Canadian Officers' Training Corps at UBC. The importance of his military training and experiences. Entry into law school at UBC. Comments on legal training. Memories of UBC law school. Graduation from law school in 1948 and work for a legal firm in Vancouver. Interest in Conservative politics. More interested in federal than provincial politics. Along with other young Tories, advocated the break-up of Coalition in B.C. General comments on the Coalition government and its decline.

T0244:0006 track 1: Robert Bonner recalls nominating W.A.C. Bennett for provincial leadership of the Conservative Party, 1950. Reasons for supporting W.A.C. Bennett in his challenge to Herbert Anscomb's leadership of the party. Further recollections of W.A.C. Bennett: crossing the floor of the House; joining Social Credit. Recollections of the 1952 election in B.C. and reactions to its outcome. The effect of the single transferable ballot. Meeting with W.A.C. Bennett after he assumed the leadership of the Social Credit Party and being offered the position of Attorney General in his prospective administration. Considerations taken into account when making his decision to accept Bennett's offer. The possibility of Gordon Wismer becoming Attorney General. Reaction to the outcome of the 1952 election in legal circles. T0244:0006 track 2: Robert Bonner comments on W.A.C. Bennett's self-confidence. Events surrounding the Social Credit Party being called upon by the Lieutenant Governor to form a government in 1952. W.A.C. Bennett's influence on Bonner's way of approaching problems. Comments on becoming Attorney General. Anecdote about John Diefenbaker's remarks shortly after Bonner became Attorney General. Recollection of his early Socred colleagues. Relations with the civil service. The 1952 election as an experiment in democracy. Comments on Social Credit. Election to the Legislature in the Columbia by-election, 1952. Comments on the by-election campaign. The importance of the by-election to the survival of the government. General comments on the first Social Credit administration.

T0244:0007 track 1: Robert Bonner discusses aspects of the early years of the first Social Credit government in B.C. Relations between the Alberta Social Credit government and Social Credit in B.C. Meeting between members of the Alberta Social Credit government and the new B.C. government in Edmonton, 1952. Political philosophy and political action. Comments on the philosophy of the first Social Credit government. Reflections on B.C. during the 1950s. Reasons for the development of B.C. by the Social Credit government. Comments on planning. Policy development. Recollections of the legislative session of 1953 and the planned self-defeat of the government. Bonner's reply to the Speech from the Throne. The defeat of the government over the Rolston Formula. Recollections of the provincial election of 1953. Bonner's campaign in the multiple-member of Point Grey.
T0244:0007 track 2: Further comments on the Point Grey constituency and the provincial election campaign of 1953. Comments on campaigning. The role of a parliamentary opposition. Evaluation of Harold Winch as Leader of the Opposition. The defeat of Einar Gunderson in the 1953 election and its effect upon the government. Bonner, Gunderson and W.A.C. Bennett served as a kind of inner-cabinet during the early years of the Social Credit administration. General comments on the members of the first Social Credit government as a group. Personal relationship with the Premier. Comments of the interaction between Bonner and Bennett on decision-making. Example of the genesis of the Two River Policy. Travelling with the Premier. Bonner's avoidance of playing bridge with the Premier. Bonner would refer to W.A.C. Bennett as "Mr. Premier". The Social Credit caucus. The operation of the Social Credit cabinet The lack of a complicated committee system helped the government run smoothly. The operation of Treasury Board and the experience of appearing before it as a Minister.

T0244:0008 track 1: Robert Bonner discusses his duties and responsibilities as Attorney General of British Columbia. Anecdote about meeting with a deputy of a new department. Aspects of administration of the various departments within his ministry. Distinction between the formulation and execution of government policy. Relations with his administrative staff. Politics and the public service. The special characteristics of the Attorney General portfolio. Relationship between the Attorney General and his Deputy Minister. Lawyers as poor administrators. Firing of Dave Barrett, a social worker, for conducting political activity while on the public payroll, 1960. The Attorney General as chief law officer. Abolishing patronage after becoming Attorney General. Comments on the labour movement in British Columbia. Differentiation between labour leaders and the labour force.

T0244:0009 track 1: Robert Bonner discusses the mechanics of holding more than a single cabinet portfolio at a time. Comments on the Social Credit cabinet. Attitudes towards business and subsequent involvement in the world of business as opposed to pursuit of a legal career. A day in the life of the Attorney General. Comments on the style of government practiced by the Social Credit government. The legislative process. The role of House Leader. Comments on the tone of the legislature during the years he served in government. The role of Legislative Counsel. The relationship between senior civil servants and cabinet ministers and the distinction between policy formulation and execution. Filling the basic task of governmental reform.
T0244:0009 track 2: Discussion of the government's problems in dealing with the Doukhobor community. The problems were simple and related to obeying the laws of the province. The problem of school truancy among Doukhobor children. Bombings and arson. The claim of religious persecution by Freedomite Doukhobors. Coordination between the Ministry of the Attorney General and the Ministry of Education on the New Denver school project. The role of magistrate William Evans. The formation of a special police force, the D Squad, to handle Doukhobor problems. Comments on the effect of criticism and press reports on the government's handling of the Doukhobor situation.

T0244:0010 track 1: Robert Bonner discusses the background to the Sommers Affair. Personal evaluation of Robert Sommers. Reaction to Gordon Gibson's allegations of irregularities in the issuing of forest management licenses. Appointment of the Lord Commission. Charges by C.W. Eversfield and David Sturdy concerning Robert Sommers. Bonner's investigations to determine whether or not Sommers was guilty of any wrongdoing. Eversfield's subsequent disappearance and Sturdy's previous request for an appointment to the Bench. Reasons for Sommers' civil suit against Sturdy. Sommers' resignation from the cabinet; if Sommers had not resigned, Bonner would have. Comments on the Butler Report. Bonner never saw the Butler Report as recalls that it was not conclusive in its findings. Bonner's advice to Sommers and his attorney about the purpose of criminal prosecutions. Comments on police reports. The issue of delays during the course of the Sommers case. Comments on the prosecution of Robert Sommers. The 1956 provincial election and discussion of the charges against Sommers.
T0244:0010 track 2: Robert Sommers' re-election in the 1956 provincial election. The issue of proceeding with the civil suit against Sturdy or, alternately, pursuing a criminal prosecution. Sommers' self-exile in Seattle and being visited by Waldo Skillings. Sommers later meets with Skillings in Victoria and attempts to secure an agreement whereby he would be charged alone. Reasons why Sommers was not charged alone. Sommers received permission to be absent from the pre-trial hearing to take his seat in the House for the legislative session of 1958; this permission was appealed. Dissatisfaction among backbench government members with the handling of the Sommers case. Reaction to the outcome of the case. Bonner was surprised at convictions. The issue of appealing the court sentence for a harsher verdict. The question of bribery with no visible benefits of preferential treatment. Final comments and reflections on the Sommers Affair.

T0244:0011 track 1: Robert Bonner discusses government interventionism. The genesis of the B.C. Ferry system. The takeover of the B.C. Electric Company. The Social Credit government's policy of no concessions to prospective business ventures in British Columbia. The background to the Columbia River Treaty. The American demand for electrical power. The B.C. government's attitude toward the development of the Canadian portion of the Columbia River. Criticism of the Treaty. Discussion of his role in the Treaty. Coining the term "Two River Policy". Reasons for the Canadian bias against exporting power to the; United States. Features of the original treaty and the issue of power being returned to Canada. The relationship between the plans to develop the Peace River and the Columbia negotiations. Modifications and protocol to the treaty, 1964, and the issue of downstream benefits. Points of contention with the federal government. Comments on the Diefenbaker government's stance on the Columbia agreement.
T0244:0011 track 2: Bonner discusses the reasons why British Columbia was able to force both the Canadian and American governments to accept its position on the Columbia River Treaty. The contribution of technical personnel. Comments on committees and the decision-making machinery that contributed to the Columbia agreement. Comments on the relationship between the provincial and federal governments in Canada during the negotiations over the Columbia. Anti-Americanism in the Diefenbaker administration. Reasons why B.C. did not proceed unilaterally on the Columbia agreement. General McNaughton and his plan for the development of the Canadian portion of the Columbia River watershed. Comments on the Kaiser Dam proposal. The appeal and problems of private development of this proposal. Objection to the federal government's Water Rights Bill. The genesis of the Wenner-Gren plan to develop the Peace River. Reasons for the failure of the Wenner-Gren proposal and its effects on later developments.

T0244:0012 track 1: Robert Bonner discusses aspects of the Two River Policy. Reasons for the development of the Peace and Columbia Rivers simultaneously. Advantages in developing the hydro-electric power potential of the rivers publicly, rather than by privately-owned means. The Briggs affair. Reflections on the 1960 provincial election. The issue of the takeover of the B.C. Electric Company. Background to the government's decision to take over the company. The special session of 1961 which was called to pass the legislation nationalizing the B.C. Electric Company. Drafting the legislation for the special session. Reaction to the takeover. Criticism of the government action in the business community. Difference between the boardroom reaction and the public response to the takeover of the B.C. Electric Company.
T0244:0012 track 2: Robert Bonner discusses the maintenance of party discipline during the course of the takeover of the B.C. Electric Company. The formation of B.C. Hydro and Power Authority, 1962. The role and purpose of a public authority, or Crown Corporation. Aspects of financing B.C. Hydro. The question of pension fund socialism. The return of a Liberal administration in Ottawa in 1963 and its effect on the Columbia River Treaty negotiations. Davie Fulton and the 1963 provincial election. Comments on the 1963 election. Evaluation of the roles played by Bonner, Williston and the Premier in the Columbia River Treaty negotiations. Final comments on the Columbia River Treaty and responses to criticisms of it. The future of the Treaty.

T0244:0013 track 1: Robert Bonner discusses federal-provincial relations during the years he served in government. Competitive versus cooperative federalism. Problems related to the port of Vancouver. Comments on federal-provincial conferences. B.C. delegations to federal-provincial conferences were invariably smaller than other provinces. The genesis of the Roberts Bank superport. The development of Roberts Bank. The issues of equalization payments. The B.C. government's objections to federally-administered equalization payments. The question of a guaranteed annual income. The issue of B.C. separatism. Arguments in favour of B.C. remaining a partner in Canadian Confederation. T0244:0013 track 2: The genesis of the B.C. government's proposal for a Bank of British Columbia. Recollection of the Senate Bank Committee hearings which reviewed the B.C. government's bank proposal, 1964. Objections to the B.C. government proposal. The process of constitutional review and the search for an amending formula for the Canadian Constitution. Constitutional reform was not a high priority for the B.C. government. The issues of bilingualism and biculturalism. Incident when W.A.C. Bennett brought Mayor Peter Wing to a federal-provincial conference. Reasons why British Columbians were reluctant to admit voting for Social Credit. Involvement in party politics. The mechanics of running an election campaign. Annual Social Credit conventions.

T0244:0014 track 1: Robert Bonner discusses the funding of election campaigns. Comments on Social Credit national politics in Canada. Description of the 1957 federal election campaign which Bonner helped organize for the Social Credit Party. Relations between the British Columbia and Alberta wings of the Social Credit Party. British Columbia's support of Real Caouette. Comments on the possibility of W.A.C. Bennett running federally. Reasons for the failure of the Social Credit Party on a federal level in Canada. The role of an MLA. Problems in being a Vancouver-area MLA. Rural versus urban conflicts in British Columbia politics. Comments on multiple-member ridings.

T0244:0015 track 1: Robert Bonner discusses the effect of politics on his private life. Reasons why legislative reform was not a high priority during the years he served in government. Attitude toward legislative debate. Orders-in-council and the provincial government. Government by regulation. Anecdote about Motor Vehicle Branch regulations. Comments about the changes which took place in British Columbia during the years he served in government. The lack of secondary industry in British Columbia. The comparative advantages of British Columbia's economy. General comments on the financial policies of the first Social Credit government. The distinction between financing government operations and those of crown corporations. Direct versus contingent liabilities.
T0244:0015 track 2: Comments on the investment of pension funds in Hydro bonds and other provincial government accounts. W.A.C. Bennett as Minister of Finance. Parity bonds. Reduction and elimination of the public debt of the province. The Kelowna bond-fire, 1959. Comments on public relations and government. Public relations men who worked for the government. Relationship between the press and government. Reasons why Bonner was considered to be the heir-apparent to the leadership of W.A.C. Bennett's character: "the Anthony Eden complex". The 1966 provincial election. Bonner's defeat in Point Grey. Re-election in Cariboo by-election. The formation of the NDP. Comments on electioneering. Reflection on his resignation from the cabinet, 1968, and retirement from politics, 1969.

T0244:0016 track 1: Robert Bonner discusses the reasons why he resigned from politics. Reaction to general criticisms which were levelled at the first Social Credit government in British Columbia. Comments on the polarization of British Columbia politics. The representative nature of the parliamentary system. Serving as MLA for Cariboo and vice president with MacMillan Bloedel simultaneously. Comments on events leading up to the defeat of the Social Credit government, 1972. Reasons for the defeat of the government. General comments on the leadership abilities of W.A.C. Bennett. W.A.C. Bennett as an original thinker.

Henry S. Thuillier interview

The item consists of 5 audio recordings of an interview with Henry Thuillier.
T0501:0001: Lt. Col. H.S. Thuillier discusses his childhood in India; his family background; idea of "service"; military academy in England; enlistment; preparations for mid-east campaign; Egypt. Describes Gallipoli experience: landing; operations; evacuation; observations of Gallipoli events. Discusses views on general strategy of WW I.
T0501:0002: Lt. Col. H.S. Thuillier discusses German strategy, WW I; evaluation of Gallipoli campaign; shift to Mesopotamia; campaign along Tigris and Euphrates; meeting Cossack column; pacifying Kurdish tribesmen. Comments on Mesopotamia theatre. Discusses T.E. Lawrence and the Arab world.
T0501:0003 track 1: Lt. Col. H.S. Thuillier discusses being a gunnery instructor in England 1920s; being posted to southern India; comments on inter-war politics between major powers. Discussion of Indian affairs and British presence. T0501:0003 track 2: Discusses artillery weaponry; returning to England, 1939; being in France during the "phoney war"; French defeatism; Belgium; Blitzkrieg; retreat to Dunkerque.
T0501:0004 track 1: On the "mole" at Dunkerque. Deters German fighter planes. Defense of Britain. Assessment of "Battle of Britain". Secret mission in Ireland.
T0501:0004 track 2: In North Africa with 51st Anti-Aircraft Regiment. Military significance of North Africa. Landing in Tunisia. Views on Kasserine Pass. Retreat of Afrika Corps.
T0501:0005 track 1: Surrender of Afrika Corps. Italian campaign: Anzio, Cassino, Florence. Meeting Churchill. End of Italian campaign.
T0501:0005 track 2: Assessment of Italian campaign. Opinions on WW II strategy. Post-war world. Retiring on Vancouver Island. Proposed book. Assessment of WW II leaders.

Howard C. Green interview

The item is an audio recording of an interview with Howard Green.
T0525:0005 track 1: Howard Green discusses his family background; first interest in politics; World War I military service; education and legal training at Osgoode Hall; beginning law practice in Vancouver, 1920s; interest in Conservative politics; decision to run as a federal Conservative candidate, 1935; comments on the history of the provincial Conservative Party; relationship between the federal and provincial Conservative parties during the Coalition years; reasons for formation of the Coalition government, which Green was in favour of; differences between Pat Maitland and Herbert Anscomb as leaders of the provincial Conservative Party; why Green did not stand for the leadership of the provincial party; federal Tories supported W.A.C. Bennett when he challenged Anscomb for the provincial leadership; general recollection of Bennett; comments on provincial Conservative politics.
T0525:0005 track 2: Background to the 1946 federal by-election in the riding of Yale, why Bennett was asked to run, and recollections of the campaign; possibility that the Conservatives and Liberals agreed not to oppose each other in various by-elections that year; reasons for Bennett's defeat in the by-election; factors in the break-up of the Coalition government; the effect of Bennett's defection from the government ranks; personal reaction to Bennett joining Social Credit and becoming Premier in 1952; comments on later relations with the Bennett government while Green served in the federal Diefenbaker administration; the Columbia River Treaty and the issue of downstream benefits; general comments on Bennett's stewardship of the B.C. government.

Sam Hardy interview

SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Sam Hardy : woods work, 1940-1974 PERIOD COVERED: 1925-1974 RECORDED: Beaver Cove (B.C.), 1974-07-29 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Mr. Hardy describes: early life in logging camps, 1925-40; Malahat Logging Company; starting as a boom man, 1940; description of boom and raft operations; anecdote about a Davis raft that got away; moving from camp to camp and job to job; working sequence in boom work; accident rate frequency, 1940-1974. Discusses: sequence of jobs on rigging crew, 1940s; job descriptions of chokerman, rigging slinger, hook tender, steel spar engineer, and chaser. Arrival in Nimpkish Valley, 1945; duties of second loader; problems with "foot draggers"; competition between crews; getting a job on the railway; move to Nimpkish, 1948; description of Woss camp construction. Anecdotes about smuggling alcohol into camps; joining the IWA and union activity; early union activity and organizing; worker attitudes toward the union; negotiations and strikes. TRACK 2: Mr. Hardy discusses: mornings on the Nimpkish Railway, 1940s; functioning of the railway network at Nimpkish; railway safety; differences between steam and diesel railway engines; maintenance on steam locomotives; pride in work; Russell Mills; Canfor as an employer; labour relations at Nimpkish. (End of interview)

Art E. Newman interview

CALL NUMBER: T0542:0001 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Production Superintendent for Canadian Forest Products PERIOD COVERED: 1930-1975 RECORDED: Beaver Cove (B.C.), 1974-07-29 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Art Newman discusses: techniques and skills in hand falling, 1930; predominance of Scandinavians in falling, 1930s; importance of Scandinavians in organizing the IWA; responsibility of the bull buckers in setting prices and contract rates, 1930-1964; the process of setting contract rates and production priorities; becomes a bull bucker, 1946. Talks about problems of the bull bucker: quality, accident prevention, costs and production. Dealing with men. Qualities of a good faller. Differences in falling small and large timber. The faller's "mistake book". Type and frequency of accidents. Coming to Nimpkish, 1946. Accepting responsibilities in the logging industry. The making of a supervisor. TRACK 2: Art Newman discusses: his move to Woss camp, 1946; logging sites surrounding Woss camp 1946-47; life in Nimpkish camp, 1946-60; getting assistance to the camps in emergencies; family life in Nimpkish; recreation and community activities; problems with alcohol; logging methods during late 1940s; sizes of settings, 1940-70s; transition from hand falling to power saw falling, 1935-50; changes in amounts of timber cut per man per day, 1930-75. Talks about his acquisition of logging knowledge. CALL NUMBER: T0542:0002 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Production Superintendent for Canadian Forest Products PERIOD COVERED: 1930-1974 RECORDED: Beaver Cove (B.C.), 1974-07-29 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Reasons for changeover to railway/truck logging from strictly railway logging. Description of Russell Mills. Membership in the IWA, 1942-46. Changes in the IWA union, 1946-74. Communist influence of IWA, 1945-50. [TRACK 2: blank.; end of interview.]

Owen Hennigar interview

CALL NUMBER: T0546:0001 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Manager for Canfor, Englewood Division - coastal logging PERIOD COVERED: 1935-1974 RECORDED: Beaver Cove (B.C.), 1974-07-31 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Mr. Hennigar discusses his first involvement in the forest industry: Gyppo logging near Powell River, 1935-37. Joins B.C. Forest Service, 1937-39. Work as a ranger-assistant: inspections, maintenance. Return to Gyppo logging, 1939. Cat logging, 1939-41. Move to Englewood, 1942. The sawmill at Englewood. History of company ownership in the Nimpkish Valley. Rebuilding the railway from Englewood to camp L. Description of the area logged by Wood and English. Canfor operations in the Nimpkish Valley, 1942. Evaluation of cat logging and environmental impact. TRACK 2: Attitudes toward environmental factors in logging, 1940-60. Description of various supervisory jobs held, 1944-74. Woods foreman, 1947-53. Camp superintendent's duties 1953-64. Resident manager, 1964-74. Description of an average camp in the Nimpkish, 1940s. Loggers' attitudes toward their jobs, 1940s. Changes in safety practices, 1940-74. Introduction of compulsory safety equipment, 1948-74. Concerns for worker safety. Safety rallies, 1950s. CALL NUMBER: T0546:0002 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Manager for Canfor, Englewood Division - coastal logging PERIOD COVERED: 1935-1974 RECORDED: Beaver Cove (B.C.), 1974-07-31 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Dealing with industrial accidents and safety. Description of Russell Mills. Description of Bill McMahan. Duties of production superintendents, 1954-64. Membership in the IWA, 1942-47. Changes in the IWA, 1940-47. Expiration of logging contracts. Changes in worker attitudes, hiring, suspensions, firings. Problems of wildcat strikes and negotiating contracts. Problems of railway logging. Ecological concerns in log industry and government policy. TRACK 2: Attitudes of management toward environmental concerns. Sustained yield logging. Multiple land use in the forests. Major changes at Englewood division, 1964-74. Dry-land sorting procedure. Change in types of individuals employed as loggers, 1940-74. Changes in forest industry methods and equipment, 1940-74. (End of interview)

Thomas B. Scott interview

CALL NUMBER: T0548:0001 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): The career of a timber cruiser and logging layout man PERIOD COVERED: 1919-1941 RECORDED: Nanaimo (B.C.), 1974-08-02 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Discusses first involvement in the forest industry. Description of ground lead and high lead logging. Job of the 'tallyman'. The Pacific Lumber Inspection Bureau. Cruising with Hibberson and Ryan, 1921-26. Working on government sponsored taxation cruise. Number of employees on Hibberson and Ryan Crew. Logistical problems in early timber cruising. Camp life and woods work while timber cruising, 1920s. TRACK 2: Anecdotes about storing food and problems with animals in the woods. Problems with insects. Waste in milling operations. Duties of the Compass man. Bullbucking and learning logging layouts, 1925-1935. Anecdote about M.A. Grainger. Working for Alberni Pacific Logging Company and later MacMillan & Bloedel. CALL NUMBER: T0548:0002 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): The career of a timber cruiser and logging layout man, 1919-74 RECORDED: Nanaimo (B.C.), 1974-08-02 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Greater emphasis on timber cruising, 1940s. Purchasing and operational cruising responsibilities, 1938-67. Chief Cruiser for MacMillan & Bloedel. Confidential nature of timber cruising. Efficiency of logging industry, 1936-74. Feasibility studies for Prince Rupert pulp mill. Work since retirement, 1967-74. Description of timber cruising methods, 1936-74. TRACK 2: Training of timber cruiser. Comments on the E and N Railway land grants and the effect on coast logging. Eustace Smith, Hal Gardiner, and Harry Baxter. The making of a good timber cruiser. Comments on labour unions, 1934-74. General comments on life as a timber cruiser. (End of interview)

Jack Durrell interview

CALL NUMBER: T0594:0001 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Ranching in the Chilcotin region PERIOD COVERED: 1891-1940 RECORDED: [location unknown], 1976 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Mr. Durrell discusses family background: father, Harry Durrell, came to Chilcotin in 1894; after several false starts, began Wineglass Ranch in 1906; father's experiences in establishing the ranch; parents married in 1917; Durrell born in 1919. Chilcotin ranches. Food and supplies in the early part of the century. Telephones. Cattle drives to Williams Lake and Ashcroft. TRACK 2: More on cattle drives. Clothing. Effects of the Depression on the ranchers. Hired help. Local place names. More on hired help. Description of irrigation methods. Irrigation works on the Wineglass Ranch. Education by correspondence. Problems of education in an isolated place. Personal background. CALL NUMBER: T0594:0002 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Chilcotin ranching PERIOD COVERED: 1900-1960 RECORDED: [location unknown], 1976 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Mr. Durrell describes: working with horses; techniques of harvesting "swamp hay"; changes in game population; more on horses; the seasonal round of work on a Chilcotin ranch; problems of wintering cattle; use of cow dogs; problems of medical attention; use of indigenous herbal remedies; more on dogs; lack of success with sheep in Chilcotin; Gristmille; problems of wintering cattle; law enforcement. TRACK 2: Anecdotes about cattle rustling. Cattle drives to Grand Trunk Pacific Railroad. (End of interview)

Martha S. Mulvahill interview : [Reimer, 1975]

SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Life at Chezacut in the Chilcotin, 1908-1930 PERIOD COVERED: 1908-1930 RECORDED: Williams Lake (B.C.), 1975-06 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Mrs. Martha S. Mulvahill discusses life at Chezacut in the Chilcotin: how she came to the Chilcotin; her brother, Will Copeland, had ranch at Chezacut; arrival and description of stage journey to Chezacut; the ranch; haying time; cattle drives; her husband, John W. "Charlie" Mulvahill; his background; husband's ranch. TRACK 2: Mrs. Mulvahill further discusses life at Chezacut: trip to Ashcroft; growing hay; cold winters; wildlife; school; digging well; husband's accident with horse; details of farming; driving cattle; trapping; Norman Lee's famous cattle drive to the Klondike.

Alfred Charles Wurtele interview

SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): The Esquimalt by-election of 1951 PERIOD COVERED: 1913-1965 RECORDED: [location unknown], 1977-02-15 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: A.C. Wurtele was born in Kingston, Ontario, 1897. He describes his family background and gives a brief outline of his naval career from 1913 until his retirement in 1945. A brief account of his career as an alderman in Esquimalt up until the time of the 1951 provincial by-election. The 1951 by-election: dealing with W.A.C. Bennett. TRACK 2: More on the 1951 by-election. Discussion of the bitterness and in-fighting between the Liberals and Conservatives within the Coalition. The by-election campaign and the roles of Wurtele, Bennett, Waldo Skillings and Ron Worley. Public meetings described. The opponents: Percy George and Frank Mitchell. Wurtele defeated by Mitchell and the Coalition candidate badly defeated. General assessment of the by-election and its effects on Wurtele's career as Reeve of Esquimalt, 1951-65. (End of interview)

Peer Vernon Paynter interview

CALL NUMBER: T1175:0001 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Paynter's early life and the origins of Social Credit in B.C. PERIOD COVERED: 1898-1945 RECORDED: [location unknown], 1977-03-04 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Born in 1898 in Saskatchewan. Paynter's early life in Saskatchewan: association with the cooperative movement, farm life, public school education to the end of grade ten, religion in the Paynter family, worked for 9 years as a grain buyer. Moved to Vancouver, 1931. Work history in Vancouver in 1930s and 1940s, including Palm Ice Cream Co., carpentry work, Boeing Aircraft Co., CP Airlines.; President of union local at CP Airlines during part of World War II. Labour relations. TRACK 2: Paynter's first contact with the ideas of Social Credit, 1932. The first Socred study group in B.C. Bill Tutte was the leader of the study group. The operation of the study group. Social Credit League of British Columbia formed in 1934 (?). Description of the first office. Anti-Semitism within the Socred movement. The possibility of communists within the early Socred movement. The Social Credit theory: Major Douglas' analysis of the monetary system, the 'A plus B theorem', 'national dividend', 'just price discount'. CALL NUMBER: T1175:0002 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): The Origins of Social Credit in British Columbia : 1932-1945 PERIOD COVERED: 1932-1945 RECORDED: [location unknown], 1977-03-04 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Paynter discusses the danger of dogmatically applying the Douglas theory of Social Credit. The philosophy of Social Credit: the oppression of monetary control. The differences between Social Credit and Technocracy. Members of the original Social Credit study group. Links between Social Credit and the British-Israel Association. Social Credit as the philosophy of "free enterprise". Differences between Social Credit and socialism. TRACK 2: Social Credit organizations: Social Credit League of B.C. and Union of Electors. Techniques of organizing Social Credit study groups. The Perfect Circle, a clandestine Social Credit organization during World War II. Perfect Circle kept Social Credit ideas alive during the war. Relations between B.C. Socreds and the Social Credit Secretariat in Li;verpool {London?]. The first Social Credit government in Alberta. Types of people in the Social Credit organization in the 1930s. CALL NUMBER: T1175:0003 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Social Credit in British Columbia in the 1930s PERIOD COVERED: 1932-1936 RECORDED: [location unknown], 1977-03-04 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Characteristics of early Socreds. Incident when Harold Winch and others tried to convince Paynter to run for the C.C.F. in Vancouver East, 1933. Social Credit never contested municipal elections. Paynter's opinion that politicians should be "individuals" rather than members of a political party. Leading figures in Social Credit in the 1930s. The visit to B.C. in 1934 of Major C.H. Douglas, 1934. The visit of Rev. Hewlett Johnson, Dean of Canterbury, to Vancouver to speak on Social Credit, ca. 1934. Premier William Aberhart's role in B.C. Social Credit in the mid 1930s. Paynter describes Aberhart, and Aberhart's many visits to Vancouver. [TRACK 2: blank.]; CALL NUMBER: T1175:0004 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Social Credit in British Columbia, 1932-1951 PERIOD COVERED: 1932-1951 RECORDED: [location unknown], 1977-04-05 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: The formation of the first Social Credit study group in Vancouver, 1932. Discussions of the monetary theory of Social Credit and the "Douglas Social Credit for Canada" piece by William Tutte. Talks about Social Credit literature and the "Perfect Circle", a Socred secret society during WWII. Formation and dissolution of Social Credit groups in 1930s and 1940s. Other monetary theories discussed. Paynter asked to be Harold Winch's running mate in 1933 provincial election. Talks about other members of the Perfect Circle: description of William Tutte and Bill Rose. Social Credit League of B.C., from 1934. The provincial election of 1937 and Social Credit involvement of it. TRACK 2: More on the 1937 election. Social Credit did not run in the provincial election of 1941. Internal problems within Social Credit, 1937-1944. The Union of Electors. Organizational details about the 1930s. The formation of the Social Credit Association of Canada (B.C. Section), 1944. The founding convention, 1944. Eric Martin and Peer Paynter on the new executive. Activities of the new association. The 1945 provincial election. Paynter a candidate in Burrard. Paynter runs in the 1945 federal election. Paynter accused of being a communist, c. 1946.; CALL NUMBER: T1175:0005 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Social Credit in British Columbia, 1945-1952 PERIOD COVERED: 1945-1952 RECORDED: [location unknown], 1977-04-05 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Paynter continues discussing how he was accused by some other Socreds of being a communist, 1946. Formation of the Vancouver Area Council of Social Credit. Major Jukes as a divisive force in Social Credit, late 1940s. The split in Social Credit, 1948-49. The 1949 provincial election. Character of Major A.H. Jukes. More on the split. Name changes of the Social Credit organization. Dal Grauer of B.C. Electric makes large contributions to the Socreds in 1949 election. More on the 1948-49 split. TRACK 2: More on Major Jukes. Paynter runs in Chilliwack in 1949. Organizational work between 1949 and 1952 elections. Work of Lyle Wicks, Eric Martin and Peer Paynter. Social Credit League headquarters in Lyle Wicks' house. Paynter becomes the first paid Social Credit organizer in B.C., 1951. Organizing techniques. Organizing Social Credit groups around the province. Hospital insurance as an issue in the 1952 election. Internal organizational details. "Christian image" of Social Credit. More about organizing. Development of electoral platform for 1952 election. The weakness of the Coalition. CALL NUMBER: T1175:0006 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Preparing for power : the Social Credit in British Columbia, 1949-1952 PERIOD COVERED: 1949-1952 RECORDED: [location unknown], 1977-04-06 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: The development of policy prior to the 1952 election. Individualism as part of the Social Credit philosophy. More on the Social Credit platform and Paynter's political philosophy. Comments on C.C.F. leader, Harold Winch. More on political philosophy. The role of government regulation in the economy. Comments on the takeover of B.C. Electric, 1961. The 1950 and 1951 Social Credit conventions. TRACK 2: More on the conventions. Less emphasis on monetary reform and the effects of many new members. Lack of basic Social Credit knowledge among many Socred MLAs. The 1951 Social Credit Convention in Chilliwack. Emotional plea at the convention by Lyle Wicks. Strong support for Social Credit from the Mennonites. The strong influence of Aberhart and Manning on fundamentalists in B.C. Pro-Christian and anti-socialist ideas within Social Credit. The connections between socialism and dictatorship. Paynter's assessment of the weakness of the Coalition government. The by-election in Esquimalt in 1951. Assistance to B.C. Socreds from Alberta Socreds. Advice on political strategy coming from Ernest Manning. CALL NUMBER: T1175:0007 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): W.A.C. Bennett and Social Credit come to power in B.C.: 1952 PERIOD COVERED: 1951-1952 RECORDED: [location unknown], 1977-04-06 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Albertans who assisted with organizational work in B.C.: Orvis Kennedy, David Ure, John Blackmore, Jack Landeryou. Paynter's salary as an organizer paid for by the Alberta Socreds. Critical executive meeting regarding the assistance of the Alberta Socreds in the 1952 election. The 1951 Social Credit convention. W.A.C. Bennett at the 1951 convention. Paynter leery of Bennett as a Socred leader. First contacts between Bennett and the Socreds. Personal animosity towards Paynter by Bennett. The role of Eric Martin in bringing Bennett into the Social Credit League. TRACK 2: More on the entry of Bennett into the Social Credit League. The attitude of the Socreds to Bennett. W.A.C. Bennett as a new Socred member. The 1952 leadership convention. Hansell selected as interim leader. The Social Credit assessment of the 1952 election. Paynter an unsuccessful candidate in Revelstoke, 1952. Social Credit preparations for the 1952 election. Paynter has no regrets about never being elected. CALL NUMBER: T1175:0008 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Provincial election of 1952 and Paynter as national organizer, 1952-57 PERIOD COVERED: 1952-1958 RECORDED: [location unknown], 1977-04-06 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Paynter philosophical about never being elected despite several attempts. Paynter narrowly defeated in Burrard federal riding in 1953 and 1957. Significance of the transferable ballot in the 1952 election. Paynter refutes accusations that he was not doing all he could in the 1952 election. The role of Hansell in the election. Paynter's assessment of the strength of the C.C.F. in the 1952 election, namely Harold Winch. Social Credit critique of the C.C.F. Paynter's critique of socialism. Help from Alberta Premier Manning. Trouble finding candidates in the 1952 election. The quality of Social Credit candidates. The nomination of P.A. Gaglardi in Kamloops, 1952. Election night in 1952 and the period of uncertainty. TRACK 2: Bennett elected as leader by Social Credit caucus, July 1952. Paynter, Gaglardi and Irwin oppose Bennett. More on the election of Bennett. Paynter opposed to the appointment of Bonner and Gunderson to the cabinet. Paynter becomes Assistant National Organizer for Social Credit after 1952 election, until 1957. Financial situation of the federal organization. Aspects of Social Credit adopted by other parties. Paynter on federal executive until 1958. Laments the lack of knowledge of Social Credit principles by current MLAs. Brief comments on Free Enterprise Educational Fund. CALL NUMBER: T1175:0009 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Leading Figures in Social Credit, 1935-1960 PERIOD COVERED: 1935-1960 RECORDED: [location unknown], 1977-04-06 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Relations between a government and a party. W.A.C. Bennett as Premier. John Perdue defeats Paynter at 1952 Socred convention. Paynter as a candidate in the 1953 federal election. Social Credit badly defeated in 1958 in federal election. Effects of the "Sommers scandal" on Social Credit. Comments on Social Credit pioneers: J. Alan Reid, Orvis Kennedy, John Blackmore, Tilly Rolston, William Aberhart, Ernest Manning. TRACK 2: Comments on more Social Credit pioneers: Ernest Manning continued, Robert Thompson, Real Caouette, Ernest Hansell, Solon Low, Thomas Irwin, W.N. Chant, Eric Martin, Lyle Wicks, Robert Bonner. Summation of 45 years of active involvement in Social Credit. (End of interview)

Gordon Torey interview

CALL NUMBER: T1293:0001 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): The origins of Social Credit in British Columbia, 1930-1952 (part one) PERIOD COVERED: 1930-1952 RECORDED: [location unknown], 1977-04-26 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: The formation of the first Social Credit study group in British Columbia, c. 1930. The central roles of Henry Torey and William Tutte in the early history of Social Credit. Differences between the stories of Torey and Peer Paynter. The issue of direct political action. Attempt by William Aberhart to establish a separate organization in B.C. Anti-Semitism as a problem in the Social Credit ;organization. Competing Social Credit groups in the 1930s and 1940s. Torey has no knowledge of the "Perfect Circle". Torey a frequent financial contributor. Close friend of William Rose. Torey born in 1907 in Vancouver. Discusses personal background. TRACK 2: More information about Torey's personal background. Strong influence of his brother Henry. Torey disputes Martin Robin's version of the founding of Social Credit. Description of Henry Torey, William Rose, William Tutte. The Social Credit monetary theory of Major C.H. Douglas. Antithesis of Social Credit and socialism. The political and social philosophy of Social Credit. Rejection of socialism in the 1930s. CALL NUMBER: T1293:0002 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): The origins of Social Credit in British Columbia, 1930-1952 (part two) PERIOD COVERED: 1930-1970 RECORDED: [location unknown], 1977-04-26 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Comments on Major C.H. Douglas' political philosophy. Some British Israelites in Social Credit movement. Attempts by Social Credit to influence established parties. Private enterprises a fundamental principle of Social Credit. Social Credit against monopolies. Internal organization. Small "bull sessions" of Social Credit inner circles. Social Credit technical advisors. Examples of how the patronage system worked in B.C. The study and teaching of Social Credit. TRACK 2: Make up of the early Social Credit group. The "lunatic fringe" of Social Credit: Socialists and anti-Semites. Social Credit critique of traditional economics. Henry Torey and William Rose as leaders in Social Credit thought in B.C. Discussion of the Social Credit dividend. Social Credit and the "no growth" economy.; CALL NUMBER: T1293:0003 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): The origins of Social Credit in British Columbia, 1930-1952 (part three) PERIOD COVERED: 1930-1972 RECORDED: [location unknown], 1977-07-04 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: The visit to British Columbia by Major C.H. Douglas. Many of the early Socreds in the newspaper business and related activities. Peer Paynter and the Social Credit organization. More on Henry Torey. The "Christian" image of the Social Credit League. Torey attended no conventions. Alberta connections. Torey took a low profile because he was in the liquor business. Did not know W.A.C. Bennett personally. Assesses Bennett as the best Premier that the province ever had. Comments on earlier B.C. governments. Recollection of 1952 election night. Comments on the bringing into cabinet of Robert Bonner and Einar Gunderson. Knows nothing about Free Enterprise Education Fund. TRACK 2: Comments on the relationship between the government and the party. Comments on the takeover of the B.C. Electric Company, 1961. Torey a friend of Eric Martin. The split in the federal Social Credit party in the 1960s. Ambivalent comments on Real Caouette. Expresses discouragement at the chances of Social Credit in the federal field. The Social Credit Research Team Bulletin of Bill Rose. Expresses belief in the inevitability of Social Credit ideas. Social Credit seen as a remedy to socialism. Critique of socialism. (End of interview)

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