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George Korsvik interview

RECORDED: Victoria (B.C.), 1984-01 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Came to Canada from Norway in 1927. Trapped and guided out of Valemount from 1929 to 1936. Trap line with Ollie Lebeck, Wood River/Athabasca Pass. Historic Athabasca Trail. Oswald Svendsen. Fortress Lake, 1930. Darryl Zanuck hunting trip on Canoe and Columbia Rivers in 1932 or 1933. Ed Garrett, river guide. Hunters' death. Hunters' names. Guides Art Allen, Chuck Chesser, Oliver Travers, and Ted Abrams, cooks, Eric Swanson. Berg Lake dude rides. Hargreaves brothers. Stan Carr and Mount Robson area. TRACK 2: Topographic surveys, Kinbasket Lake/Canoe River 1936. Frank Swannell. Survey work on Vancouver Island and in the Rockies in 1939. Canadian Army. Relocation to Valemount. Hunting by boat in Canoe River area. Road along Canoe River. Trapping and guiding logistics. Al Huble. Curly Phillip's river boat. Canoe River hot springs.

Oliver Travers interview

RECORDED: [location unknown], 1984-01 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: First ever snowshoe trip from Jasper to Banff with Phil Higgeson in 1931. Won Banff winter carnival event. First trip in Jasper, 1925. Worked on park roads and telephone lines on Whirlpool and Snake Indian Rivers. Cooked for Stan Clark, 1926. Dude trips; good tips, triangle tour, fishing. Hargreaves' outfits. Deaths of George and Frank Hargreaves. Death aborted Daryl Zanuck's bear hunt in 1933. Trapping in 1927/28. Death Rapids on Columbia River. A long snowshoe trip. TRACK 2: Recollections of a guides' hunting trip with the Hargreaves near Mumm Creek. McDonald Meadows. A $100 Hollywood tip. Guides wages and hunting fees. North Boundary survey; packing gear and film for $3.60 a day. Bill Blackman guided out of Valemount. Hargreaves employees; Harvey Crate, Art and Ken Allen, Bob L'Estrange, Charley Blackman, Don Giles. Berg Lake; grave, dude trips, cabins and lodge. Tom Wilde. Some Northern Rockies outfitters. Jim Lamb, Ed and Frank Moberly. Quit guiding about 1934. Bedaux expedition.

Pete Lum interview

RECORDED: Premier Lake (B.C.), 1984-10 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: His beginnings: Kettle Valley to Fort Steele. Art Nicol's outfitting operation. One of the first in the Kootenays. Pete started wrangling. Originally used teepees. Winter and summer work. Collecting mountain goat for New York zoo. Other region guides; Jimmy White, Charley Stevens, A.B. Fenwick. Brother, George, helped guide. Trapping and other work. Summer dude rides at Lake Louise, 1929 to 1939; trailed horses in from Fort Steele. Various trails/routes used at Lake Louise. Hunters and guides fees. Designated hunting territories, circa 1948. Doyle Reay. Operated outfit out of Premier Lake after WW II until retirement at age 80. Gold mining at Wild Horse Creek in 1925. Father had general store at Fort Steele. TRACK 2: Other work done. Packed for mining exploration in Lardeau area circa 1937. Names of other Kootenay guides.

Eugene Merrill interview

RECORDED: Edson (Alta.), 1984-10 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Early trapping and moose hunting in the Peace River region. Local guides names. Worked for Stan Clark and Jack Hargreaves in the Jasper area, circa 1938. Art and Ken Allen were head guides. Other Jasper outfits in the 1940s noted. Tips given on summer and fall trips. Pat Smith, Ed and Frank Moberly. Cooks. Hargreaves' area was Sulphur River; trailed in from Devona. Red Ilee. Hunter's death recounted; taking out the body, etc. Worked for Red Creighton's outfit after WWII. Outfitting summer climbing trips, usually 14 days. TRACK 2: Larry McGuire. Transferred into pack troop at Prince George during WWII; specialized horsemen, packed mountain fighters for manoeuvers in mountain parks. Gene was a farrier. A 'unique' discharge. Wife cooked for various outfitters. Various wages for summer and fall trips. Guiding equipment. Fish story regarding Jack Hargreaves. Frank Burstrom and disappearing elk horns story.

Mathias Baher interview

RECORDED: Sparwood (B.C.), 1984-10 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Family arrived at Elk Valley in 1902. Worked in coal mines at Luscar, 1923. Two winters trapping in the NWT. Brother Martin, Joe Vlasak and Mathias started outfit, 1929. Early Elk Valley; outfitters/guides; Chancy Smith, Billy Boivin, Neil MacQuarrie, Charley Nordstrom. Hornaday/Phillips trip, 1905, one of the first sporting trips, employed Charlie Smith, Mac and John Narbou, Hugglestone; see "Campfires in the Canadian Rockies" (1906). Old Kootenay outfitters; Art Nichol, Peter Lum. Numerous outfits used the Bull River area. Mathias had 26 horses. Max Ebert. A local shooting incident. Harry Kylar cooked. TRACK 2: Description of guiding territory; Elk Valley, Fording River, Cadorna Creek. Handles two parties simultaneously. Start of Local Guiding Association, circa 1950. Accessing his territory. Trip Length. Cabins used for hunting and trapping. Alberta area: Buffalo Head Ranch. Alberta outfits using BC areas: Frank Philipps, Elk Lakes, Andy Russell, Flathead, Vensel Dvorak. Evolution of access, guiding and hunting pressures in the region. Record trophy heads obtained. Early motion pictures of hunting. His autobiography, "Life and Times of an Elk Valley Sourdough" discussed. Revised edition.

Felix Plante interview

RECORDED: Entrance (Alta.), 1984-10 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Mark Truxler and Carl Lugar worked for him. Average trip was 30 to 49 days. Nine days travel one-way. George Hargreaves buried at Sheep Creek. Smoky River ford at Clarke's Crossing. Large caribou herds. $125.00 license allowed seven trophies, $25.00 per day cost. Tips better than wages. Abundant game meant easy hunting. Successful one-legged hunter and a $1,000 tip. A problem 300 pound 'chesterfield' saddle. Worked for Fred Brewster. Camp innovations; tents, cook stoves, heaters, folding tables. Family moved to mountains in 1914 and trapped on Berland River. Tracking a deer backwards. Forestry work circa 1915 to 1920. TRACK 2: Initially guided for Fred Brewster. Tim Vinson. Abe Rimmer. Guide had to cook on summer dude trips. Early Jasper outfits noted. Park guides license cost $2.50; Alberta one was $5.00. Art Allen. Len Jeck. Started own outfit on hunter's grubstake circa 1936. Summer trips used 60 horses. Adams and Henry Joachim. Retired at age 75. Home made panniers. Earl Anderson and tin panniers. Gunshot accident became unfortunate fatality. Unarmed encounter with huge grizzly.

Ken Allen interview

RECORDED: Kelowna (B.C.), 1984-10 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Worked for Curly Phillips in 1924; market garden and tourist boating. Seventy-day climbing expedition to Columbia Icefields in 1927; first ascent record, Swiss guides. Mount Robson. Description of Donald "Curly" Phillips; death in avalanche, tourist boat operations in early 1930s. Packing and guiding. Indian guides. Jack Hargreaves. Red Creighton. Head guide psychology. Grande Cache. Ken and wife worked for Ray Hargreaves at Mount Robson. First ascent expedition to Mount Sir Alexander in 1929. broken ankle tended by Dr. Gilmour. Mr. Waffle. Finished guiding in 1939. Jasper warden service in early 1940s, then CNR work. Train accident in 1951 at Canoe River killed 22 people. Harry Phillips attacked by grizzly. TRACK 2: Grizzly attack continued. Medicine Lake and Maligne Lake tourist boat concession circa 1931 to 1933. Phillip's dude trap line, 1927. Many wives did the cooking on trips. Chuck Chesser. Slim Fry. George Korsvik. Oswald Svensen. Otto Brothers. Joe Saladana. Boundary survey work, 1938. General guiding duties. Fred Brewster. Building laundry for Jasper Park Lodge. Other names; Max Hoover, Larry McGuire, Frank Burstrom, Adam Joachim, Dave, Frank and Ed Moberly. Summer dude trips. River fords. Memories of American hunters.

A. Jim Bagley interview

RECORDED: Canmore (Alta.), 1984-10 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Started with Kananaskis Ranch (Seebe), circa 1925 to 1931. Kananaskis Lakes; handles hydro surveys in the 1920s. Trips along the Continental Divide described. Kananaskis Ranch horsemen; Ray Legace, Bob Baptie, Chet Hogan, Bill Matthews. History on construction of Assiniboine Lodge, 1927. Worked for Strom/Assiniboine Lodge circa 1931 to 1936; packing wrangling, cooking ski guiding. Clientele during Depression years. TRACK 2: Walter Nixon's operation in the Kootenays. Spent some years in Windermere area. Worked clearing the Spray reservoir, circa 1939. One summer spent at Scotch Camp (Red Deer River) for warden service. A step from a grizzly. Roof blew off Assiniboine Lodge. Bill Bagley worked for Claude Brewster. Soapy Smith: ranch, outfitted Columbia Icefields trip; for Byron Harmon/Freeman, 1924. Alvin Gwyne, Art Cartledge, Pat Worthington. Frank Philipp's outfit. Joe Johnson. Mike Crosby.

Bill Bagley interview

RECORDED: Ghost River (Alta.), 1984-10 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Freighting supplies in Kananaskis Valley, winter 1931. George Pocaterra. Ray Patterson. Banff Park outfits used both east slopes and BC areas of the Rockies. Soapy Smith. Frank Philipps; hunted Elk Valley in the 1940s. First packing/wrangling was dude trips for Claude Brewster and Soapy Smith in 1936. Banff wardens noted. Travel and fire permits required. Foreman at Kananaskis Ranch after 1950. Worked for Bud Brewster's outfit out of Banff. 25 years of wintering horses in Ghost area. Size of Brewster's outfits. Johnny Boychuk. Jim Bagley. Trails in the 1930s were better than today. Some names; Rex Logan, Alvin Gwyn, Ollie Rasmussen, Jim Tegart, Albert Cooper, horse trip from Alberta to the Cariboo, 1935. Ollie Armstrong. TRACK 2: Various aspects of horse trips. Indians helped on short trips; not too dependable.

Pete Bifano interview

RECORDED: Sundre (Alta.), 1984-10 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Rex Logan sold horses to miners in Nordegg, Cadomin, etc. Albert Gooey guided for Peter McKillop in local area, Charley Siegfried. Ed Grabiec outfit. Peter worked with Grabiec, Ed Sherbic, Ken Thomson, Johnny Kosteniuk, Herb Blake, Nordegg. Had two strings and mainly worked north of the North Saskatchewan River; Coral, Job and Opabin Creeks. Description of Upper Macdonald watershed. Open hunting gave way to an abundance of outfits/competition. Ken Thomson. Later oil company trips; good pay, hard on the horses. Tough work and bad conditions in the Monkman area. Some favored hunting areas. Fossils. Old Indian Camp on the Bighorn River. Joe Bifano, father, outfitted until circa 1936-37. Used Indian guides from Bighorn Reservation. Packhorse killed by lightning on Sunset Pass, one drowned crossing Brazeau River; broken ribs. [TRACK 2: blank.]

John Boychuk interview

RECORDED: Canmore (Alta.), 1984-10 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Started in early 1930s; worked for Pat Brewster, Brewster Transport, and Claude Brewster. Grew up in Cypress Hills. Various jobs in Banff from 1927. Pat Brewster outfit; Assiniboine camp, 200 head of horses, short dude trips. Horse assisted hiking trips in Larch Valley, Skoki. A 36-day sightseeing trip from Kananaskis Lakes to Lake Louise. Worked with Harvey Clark, Lance Reigher, Jim Moore, after WWII. Other outfits; Ray Legace, George Harris. One guiding territory was Simpson River; then Panther-Clearwater areas used. Bought horses from Stoney Indians. Yoho Park years and various horse concessions, circa 1948 to 1968. Floyd Smith was early partner. Regulation eventually restricted operation. Packed for Alpine Club in Yoho Park. TRACK 2: Some guides, etc.: Rex Logan, Alvin Gwynne, Ike Mills, Bagley brothers, Jim Burroughs, Brewster's 60th anniversary reunion. Slim Hogan managed the Ya Ha Tinda. Operating pony stable at Canmore.

Max Ebert interview

CALL NUMBER: T4105:0036.1 RECORDED: Salmo (B.C.), 1984-10 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Discussion on placer gold mining at Wildhorse Creek; theory of Lost Lemon Mine; Bull River; hydraulic mining, bottle of gold. Ran air locomotive in Michel coal mines. Description of early outfitter, Billie Boivin. Secret of the diamond hitch. Started wrangling circa 1920 to 1921. Billie Boivin railroading, how he lost his arm, eleven-horse string, dangerous Eastman-Kodak trip. Johnny Lewis. Kettering party, circa 1922. TRACK 2: Early local guides; Nordstrom brothers, Norbou brothers, Chancy Smith. Elk Valley game reserve. Game wardens. Guide's license in 1922. Also guided for Earl McGuiness and Martin Baher. Sheep psychology. Some hunting stories. Browning party. Record goat heads from Berry Creek. Martina and Mike Baher had outfits. Joe Krivensky.

CALL NUMBER: T4105:0036.2 RECORDED: Salmo (B.C.), 1984-10 SUMMARY: Joe Krivensky, continued. Elk Valley hot springs. Alex Clarkson cooked. Circus exploits. Grizzly and black bear stories. Topographical names. Crossbreed oddity. Guided until about 1948.

William Harrison interview

RECORDED: Blind Bay (B.C.), 1984-10 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Outfitted climbing camps for Canadian Alpine Club for over 30 years. Various other climbing parties outfitted. Some camp locations. Swiss climbing guides noted. Conrad Kain had own outfit. Other climbers. Description of topographic survey work, 1923 to 1925, under Harris and Bridgeland. Smithsonian geological expedition (Walcott) in southern Rockies. Started as wrangler, circa 1916, for Walter Nixon. CPR dude trips to Lake of the Hanging Glacier. Supplied prospectors/mines in Purcell Mountains. Guiding territory was upper Kootenay Valley. Madeleine Turner. Jim Boyce. Curly Phillips. Hired local men. Freighting work around Radium Hot Springs. Fire warden for Palliser/Ross rivers area. Packing on Big Bend Highway survey, 1928. Columbia Valley trail. High construction during the Depression. TRACK 2: Locations on west slopes of Rockies. Alpine Club camps. Some backcountry dangers. Sold horse outfit in 1978. Over sixty years of horse work in the mountains. Previous tape recording at Archives of Canadian Rockies, Banff.

Max Hoover interview

RECORDED: Nanaimo (B.C.), 1984-10 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Guided in Jasper/Robson region between 1925 and 1931. First wrangled for Stan Kitchen. Guides' regulations and responsibilities. Preparation of capes, horse tending. Various hunting trips and durations. Guides paid $10.00 per day. Wounded game. Excellent female hunter remembered. A typical four-hunter party, arrangement and logistics. Murray Cochrane. TRACK 2: Newspaper articles and reminiscences. Hargreaves outfit. Guided with Art and Ken Allen. Hargreaves outfit. Guided with Art and Ken Allen. Hargreaves family, Dick, Ray, George and Frank. Oliver Travers. George Korsvik. Walter Cochrane. Country in Mount Robson region noted. Curly Phillips. Jasper/Lake Louise summer trips for Brewster. Chuck Chesser.

Floyd Smith interview

RECORDED: Canmore (Alta.), 1984-10 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Had class A guide's license for 55 years, from 1924 to 1979. On the trail since 1918. Dad, Carl, had outfit in Blairmore; drove Golden Gate stage in Yellowstone Park, 1895 to 1900. Crowsnest area; hunted Castle River, Flathead and Elk Valley. Nordstrom Brothers, Cutch Charlie. Trailed over south Kootenay Pass. Mike Baher. Hot springs in Elk Valley. Areas hunted. Crowsnest background, Frenchie, Charlie (Chink) and Jim Riviere, Buckhorn ranch sold. Guided west of Turner Valley. Started guiding in Banff area for Claude Brewster, 1945. Others mentioned, Alvin Gwyne, Soapy Smith, Art Cartledge. Stoney Indians: rented their horses, good guides for elk, moose, etc. Trophy heads. Yoho Park horse concession with Johnny Boychuk, 1950 to 1954. Summer operation at Assiniboine/Marvel Lake in later years. Some packing for geological surveys, forestry lookouts. Southern Rockies name: Johnny Musgrove, Bert Rigall, Charlie hunter. Photo/lecture tours. Wife, Lillian cooked at Lake Louise, Lake O'Hara, etc. TRACK 2: Hollywood movie work mentioned. Guided for Fred Brewster in Jasper, 1948-49. Tom Vinson. Floyd covered much of Rockies from US border to north of Jasper.; Guided some big name clients. Prices and costs noted. Some reflections on pioneering horse use.

Kreg O. Sky fonds

  • PR-1812
  • Fonds
  • 1983-1984

The fonds consists of oral history interviews and photographs of guides and outfitters who operated in the Canadian Rocky Mountains, mainly in the years before World War II. The fonds was created by Kreg O. Sky in the course of his research project.

Sky, Kreg O.

Rex Logan interview

RECORDED: Sundre (Alta.), 1984-10 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Dad and Rex (1939) worked for Brewster's Banff outfit. Art Cartlege. Guy Thomas Cooked. Guided for Stan Kitchen in Jasper, circa 1944. Sold horses to miners in towns between Sundre and Jasper. Tom Vinson. Canol Project, 1943. Some 1940s outfitters; Jerry Verhaege, Del Wing, Eddy Grabiec, Stewart Kidd, Ravio. Old trails and forestry telephone wire. Worked 1944 to 1948 in Jasper. Some Jasper outfits. Hunting territories north of Jasper Park. Politics/regulations. Most hunting trips lasted a month. Summer trips were easier but paid less. Tourist rides. Some on Columbia Icefields with sharp-shod horses. Alaska Highway work. Tom Wilde had major contract on Canol Road and employed Jasper-Banff guides and wranglers at $7 to $9 per day. Had hunting territory in Yukon, 1965 to 1979. TRACK 2: Packing for oil company surveys (1950s) was profitable and covered all east slope areas up to Grand Prairie. Northern trails were Indian trails. Various aspects/logistics of survey trips. Wife cooked. Jim Simpson. Alvin Gwyne. Soapy Smith. Jeff Wilson. Jack Brewster. Red Creighton. Leo Rutledge, Ray Legace, Ray, Vern and Bill Mustard. Frank and Owen Philipps. Walter Nixon. Guy Thomas. Hersch Neighor. Stan Carr. Larry McGuire. Chuck Chesser. Len Jeck. Grizzly attack mentioned. Trophy heads.

Andy Russell interview

CALL NUMBER: T4105:0043.1 RECORDED: Millarville (Alta.), 1984-10 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Grew up with a passion for reading, the mountains and horses. Bert Rigall, international reputation, taught Andy guiding, childhood accident, started in 1907, operated out of Waterton Park, 1910. Wilderness summer trips, fifty horses, covered from Flathead Valley to Kananaskis. Major five month trip, Fort Steele to Pine Pass in 1911. Guides license obtained in 1936. Guiding territory in BC was lower Flathead Valley and east tributaries, 1946 to 1960. Used local BC guides. Selective hunting for bighorn sheep. Providing a service. High international outfitters rating. Frank Dvorak. Exclusive outfitting rights in Waterton Park, 110 horses. Recollections and perceptions of grizzly. TRACK 2: Guided famous hunting writers. Wilderness photography. Exposure/experience with big game, horses. Snowstorm problems. Close calls climbing. His film "Grizzly Country": lecture tour for 11 years, making it. Career thoughts. Description of Frenchie Riviere; origins, trailed horses to Fort St. John.

CALL NUMBER: T4105:0043.2 RECORDED: Millarville (Alta.), 1984-10 SUMMARY: Frenchie Riviere (continued). Jim Riviere, George Gladstone's stream crossing story. Crowsnest outfits; Frank Dvorak, Martin and Mike Baher, Vensel Dvorak. Leo Rutledge. Recollections of recent conservation battle with oil companies.

Frank Burstrom interview

RECORDED: Jasper (Alta.), 1983-11 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: 1930 ski trip from Jasper to Banff with Joe Weiss, Doug and Verne Jeffrey, Pete Withers. GTP railroad work camp and Red Pass, 1912. Moved to Jasper in 1919. Brewster trips and operations. Moose River trip, 1927. Jack Hargreaves outfit. Otto Brothers. Description of Curly Phillips. Phil Hageson and Oliver Travers snowshoe trip to Banff, 1931. Mid-1920s work on Jasper north boundary surveys. Art Allen. Warden service 1938 to 1966. Jasper Park Lodge. Park regulations. Cutting railway ties on Whirlpool River. TRACK 2: Cutting ties, continued. Bill/Ray Mustard. Brazeau warden district work. Hunting trip miscellanea. Horses vis-à-vis Jasper Park. Felix Plante. Ed and Frank Moberly. Palisades Ranch owners. Length of hunting trips. Sixty-four years residing in Jasper.

Ishbel Cochrane (et al.) interview

RECORDED: Mount Robson Ranch (B.C.), 1983-11 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Hargreaves family came to Jasper in 1913. Homestead and guest ranch at Mount Robson. 1923 built and operation CNR cabins at Berg Lake. Ray Hargreaves built the chalet later. All five brothers guided and outfitted. Some guides and packers: Art and Ken Allen, Harvey Crate, Dean Swift, Ted Shive, Stan Carr, Chuck Chesser, Don and Dave McMurtry. Trap lines. Ray Hargreaves and Chuck Chesser partnership, 1931. Other workers; Bud Traver, Les Templeman, Bill Blackman, George Korsvik. George Hargreaves death in 1936. Work record stone sheep (Chadwick Ram). Graves in the wilderness. Big name hunters mentioned. Isaac Plante, Deome Findlay. Joachim family. Eddie Moberly. TRACK 2: Eddie Moberly (continued). Murray Cochrane's involvement from 1934. Describing Roy Hargreaves. Boating down Upper Smoky River. Hargreaves' daughter's involvement. Old geographic names in region. Horse fords on Smokey River. Geological Surveys.

Oliver Goodell interview

RECORDED: Dunster (B.C.), 1983-11 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Father guided hunters out of McBride area, circa 1919. Jack Renshaw was another outfitter. Change of guide regulations, late 1920s. Hunting with riverboats along upper Fraser River. Outdoor Life advertising. Original high trail east of McBride. Beaver (Holmes ) River. Boat hunting cheaper. Used Renshaw's horses. Accounts as a riverboat man on topographic surveys in Northern Rockies, circa 1929. Surveyors. Panned gold during Depression. Horse work for army training schemes during WWII. Some wrangling out of Mt. Robson. Dome Creek guides, Bob Wiley and Slim Fry. [TRACK 2: blank.]

Larry McGuire interview

RECORDED: Vernon (B.C.), 1983-11 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Worked for Fred Brewster and Medicine Lake, 1932. Description of Harry and Curly Phillips' operation. Brewster had 380 horses. List of outfitters operating from Jasper town site, late 1920s. Family moved there in 1924. Adam Joachim. Jasper Rodeo and Turf Club. Jack Hargreaves packed for the Alpine Club. Aspects of the Maligne Lake Area. Worked for Stan Kitchen from 1936 to 1938. Other guides. American hunters. Mr. A.C. Willoby (Palisades). First outfit with Red Creighton 1945. Black Cat Ranch. North Boundary dude trip. Dennison and Britton outfitted at Mount Robson. TRACK 2: Louie Delorme. Variations on North Boundary trip. George Foley, warden at Devona. Overnighting horses. Advantages of pyramid and baker tents. Eddie Moberly. Larry McGuire worked for national park warden service from 1949 until his retirement.

Thomas Wilde interview

RECORDED: Rose Prairie (Alta.), 1983-11 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: First packed in Glacier Park Montana, 1924 - 1926, for largest outfit in North America, Bar X Six. 1100 horses and mules. Originally started by Bill Brewster. Followed Brewster work to Jasper in 1928, a booming place for horse work. Warner Brothers movie at Maligne Lake. Wardens and transiting hunter. Two deaths by grizzlies. A big Indian camp on the Smoky River. Other trips and trails. Some outfitters around Jasper. Abe Reimmer, Chris Redland were packers for Jack Brewster. First work in Northern Rockies, Prophet River, in 1932. Old police trail route noted. Hudson's Bay traders. Murders at Trimble (Deadman's) Lake circa 1925. Wilde did major outfitting/packing contract on Canol Road/Pipeline and for army. Curly Phillips saddle. Author James Oliver Curwood had used it. [TRACK 2: blank.]

George Camp interview

RECORDED: Jasper (Alta.), 1983-11 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Came to Jasper area with work on GTP Railroad in 1915. Cooked for Jack Brewster in 1922. Trip re: first ascent of Mount Alberta, 1925. Cooked for Fred Brewster and Curly Phillips. Details of cooking on the trail. Trip with Jack Hargreaves. Adam Joachim. Bill Mustard. Indian grave on Cardinal River. Guides from Brule. Town site and CNR surveys. Bobby Jones, Jimmy Lambe. 1935 geological survey. Park warden, 1939. [TRACK 2: blank.]

Freeman ("Friday") Lonsdale interview

CALL NUMBER: T4105:0013.1 RECORDED: Chase (B.C.), 1983-12 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Burial of George Hargreaves on Sheep Creek. Description of area and trails near Sheep Pass. Used Alberta guides from Grand Cache. Eating porcupine. Guided for Jim Smith out of Snowshoe (Crescent Spur), 1926. Put in original trail up Morkill River. Trip to Jarvis Lakes via McGregor River. Fossils. Accident curtailed guiding in 1940. Jimmy Smith killed by horse in 19444. Homesteaded in 1924. Indian drying racks. TRACK 2: Caribou populations and decline. Came along Continental Divide. Grizzly stalked him. First camp and features on Morkill River and Forget-Me-Not Creek. Mustards worked out of McBride. Hookers from Dome Creek. Account of sixty-five day collecting trip for Peabody Museum, 1931. Specimens, people, taxidermist, areas, 52 horses.

CALL NUMBER: T4105:0013.2 RECORDED: Chase (B.C.), 1983-12 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Big Shale Hill. Boundary trail. Fishing at Kakwa (Porcupine) Falls. Usually at lunch in the saddle. A grizzly prank. Duration of most trips. Almost snowbound on the Divide. Plane wreck at Kakwa Lake. A 32 year old reunion in the wilderness with Archie Clark. Camp equipment and organization described. TRACK 2: Handling the horses. Clients and costs. Working on GTP Railway in 1911. Threshing in Manitoba. Floated upper Fraser River on a scow in 1912 en route to Vancouver. Took stage from Soda Creek. Interviewer's notations.

Hersch Neighbor interview

CALL NUMBER: T4105:0017.1 RECORDED: Fort St. John (B.C.), 1983-11 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: A green kid's first trip wrangling in 1926. A cold forty day trip. Guided for 38 consecutive years. Included Jasper, Tete Jaune Cache, and Pink Mountain. Best game and horse country was ;north of Jasper. Territorial comparison. Curly Phillips was pioneering outfitter. Indians. Hunting territories overlapped at Kakwa (Porcupine) Lake. Various geographic names in Kakwa area / Sheep Pass meadows. Clark's crossing on Smoky River. Die-off of caribou. TRACK 2: Various trips in Jasper Park. Some Jasper outfitters. Brother, Rufe, started about 1918, later partner with Bert Wilkins. Description of Curly Phillips and operation. Ed 'Dad' Neighbor. Park guide badge 1921. Otto Brothers in Jasper. Magazine article. Family move with horses from Tete Jaune Cache to Pink Mountain in 1954. Outfitted from Pink Mountain for ten years. Description of his territory, rivers, game, trails. 1906 police trail noted. Eunice's (wife) involvement in operations. CALL NUMBER: T4105:0017.2 RECORDED: Fort St. John (B.C.), 1983-11 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Stan Russell's death and burial on Big Shale Hill, 1951. Plaque mounted. George Hargreaves' death and grave. Shovel superstition. Details of bear attack on Harry Phillips at Berland River; on Jack Powell at Prophet River. Blood poisoning incident on dude trip to Kakwa Lake, 1936 or 1937. A lucky wilderness operation on his leg. Changes in outfitting over the years, tents, cooking, stoves and heating, lamps, pack boxes. Game pressure and conservation today. [TRACK 2: blank.]

Charles Doyle Reay interview

RECORDED: Jaffray (B.C.), 1983-12 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Recollections of Pete Lum, old Kootenay outfitter. Anton Rosicky. Doyle Reay started on Bull River, 1938. Territories on the Bull River, ca. 1948. Handled two hunters, twenty-six horses. Camps and areas hunted. 1927 fire. CPR tote roads and logging camp at Tanglefoot, 1904 to 1927. Goat locations. Bull Valley one of the best overall game country. Donnaly Slide. Some more recent outfitters noted. Ron Cullen was his wrangler. Trophy hunting. Various American clients. Fees. Problems climbing for a goat. Wounded grizzly story. TRACK 2: Majority of clients were no problem. Details on preparing heads and capes for taxidermy. Strategy for stretching the hunt. Sheep herding between Picture Butte, Alberta and Crowsnest Pass in the early days. Sold outfit to Harry Riddell. Jimmy White and Art Nicol were the oldest guides in the region. Martin Baher guided in Elk Valley. John Dvorak worked in Flathead Valley. Others, Jim and Buster Tegart, Jim Thompson, Buster St. Elio. Comparing past and present game populations. Never advertised. His wife did the books and correspondence.

James Riviere interview

RECORDED: Twin Butte (B.C.), 1983-12 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Some humourous occasions and pranks on the trail. Johnny Krokennock, guide. Three types of dudes. Preferred Texans. Bert Rigall was old-time outfitter. Used upper Oldman River. Dave Simpson. Father outfitted parties north of Jasper, late 1920s. Dude trips out of Waterton Park, 1929. Prince of Wales horse concessionaires; Jack Bevans, Morris Brothers, his brother Rankin, Pat Brewster, Dave Simpson. His guides; Harold Fisher, Rex French. Wife cooked on most trips. Fees and wages. Some hunting areas noted. One hunter, by the name of Dunn, brought his own outfit. Characteristics of grizzly bear. TRACK 2: Hibernating bear story. Carl and Floyd Smith. Very few outfits worked in Alberta's southwest corner. Getting started and maintaining business. Reasons for quitting guiding. Criticism of present-day game management.

James Tegart interview

RECORDED: Brisco (B.C.), 1983-12 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Arthur Tegart homesteaded at Windermere in 1886. Guided hunters in early 1900s. Guiding supplemented farm income. Bob and Buster continued family outfit after 1925. Jim Tegart stated about 1929; own outfit in 1943. Used wild horses in pack string for a total of forty. Areas hunted. Built trail in Squaw, Lodgepole, Marion Creeks, White River. Indian hunting trail from Kananaskis. Game, roads, and decline. Tegart Pass and Mountain. Jim Thompson guided. Tents reverted to cabins on Albert River, Tipperary Falls, Queen Mary Creek. Frequent fly-camping. Names of old time game wardens. Albertans hunted the Palliser. TRACK 2: Austrian hunters. Woman hunter, 69 years old. Lost supplies fording a river. Doreen cooked for most parties; an all day job. Daughters have cooked, sons did guiding. Old area outfitters; Jim and Gordon McKay, Upper Kootenay, Beaverfoot, Bill Harrison, Alpine Club. Big Bend Highway work. Banff/Jasper highway packing. Rode a horse to death. Hunted in the Purcell Mountains. One-armed hunter.

Clifford Eagle interview

RECORDED: Lac la Hache (B.C.), 1983-11-21 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Childhood spent around Dog Creek, Alkali Lake, and 150 Mile House. Made money "chasing" coyotes with horses. Ranched and trapped in the Lac La Hache area. Noted for "man-hunting" skills. Details of tracking for lost and dead men. Guided for Ted Ogden and Percy Hamilton. His two guiding areas were Lac La Hache and Crooked Lake. Advertising. Cougar dogs. Moose populations. "Reading bear" story. TRACK 2: Good cooking an important aspect. Operational aspects. Used Indian guides. Wolves and [bounty?]. Other outfitters: Buster Hamilton, Herbie McNeil. Ceased guiding in 1969 or 1970.

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