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Vancouver Island (B.C.) Scandinavians--British Columbia--History
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Alex Pouttu interview

SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Dreams of freedom : Alex Pouttu RECORDED: Sointula (B.C.), 1982-02-11 SUMMARY: Alex Pouttu discusses: born in Sointula, 1907; father was one of first colonists; fishing and logging; father built own house, it's still there now; school; started working, 1923 in logging camp; worked in 34 different logging camps on the coast; fishing; farming; weather; plays; Finnish organization; war experience; carving; good place to grow up. (End of interview)

Alfred B. Williams interview : [Fish, 1979]

SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Dreams of freedom : Alfred Williams RECORDED: Sointula (B.C.), 1979-08 SUMMARY: Alfred Williams discusses his early life at Sointula: life at Sointula; Rivers Inlet; Darby Channel; Ocean Falls; Johnstone Straight; Malcolm Island; Rough Bay; Fort Rupert; Bull Harbour; hoochies; humpies; highliner; Finnish Organization.

Alfred B. Williams interview : [Fish, 1982]

CALL NUMBER: T4031:0018 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Dreams of freedom : Alfred Williams RECORDED: Sointula (B.C.), 1982-02-10 SUMMARY: Alfred Williams discusses: his background- third generation Finnish-Canadian, born 1921, mother's family was one of original groups that came to Sointula; father came from Lake Superior when he was 6 years old; educated himself through books he ordered on subjects he was interested in; worked on construction of store and school; honesty was an important value in the community; always interested in politics; getting involved with the Finnish organization when he was young. Mrs. Williams comments on hearing about Iso aiti "Great Mother", even though her family lived in Vancouver. Alfred Williams discusses: Finnish culture; getting into trouble at school; getting his own boat in 1938; difficulties of this lifestyle; food and diet. CALL NUMBER: T4031:0019 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Dreams of freedom : Alfred Williams RECORDED: Sointula (B.C.), 1982-02-10 SUMMARY: Alfred Williams: first time he went to Cape Scott; fishing gear; politics; characters of the time; goals of community founders- individuals not radicals, haven for communists; people involved in the war effort; differences between the old days and now in the area; Fraser River backyard boats; description of the fishing operation. CALL NUMBER: T4031:0020 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Dreams of freedom : Alfred Williams RECORDED: Sointula (B.C.), 1982-02-10 SUMMARY: Mrs. Williams discusses what life was like when she first went up to Sointula: people did not know she was Finnish; everyone knew everyone; much more communal lifestyle in Sointula -- no hurry, lots of friends; seeing grouses. (End of interview)

Alfred Williams and Olavi Anderson interview

SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Dreams of freedom : Alfred Williams and Olavi Anderson RECORDED: Sointula (B.C.), 1979-08 SUMMARY: Alfred Williams and Olavi Anderson discuss: Suquash mine; Rough Bay; Kaleva; Toivo Aro; Pulteney Point; Keisler; Hylton brothers; Mandie.;

Arvo Tynjala interview : [Orchard, 1967]

CALL NUMBER: T1016:0005 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): The Finnish community at Sointula, B.C. RECORDED: [location unknown], 1967-06-22 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Arvo Tynjala was born in 1897 and discusses the origins of Sointula. The arrival of the Tynjala family at Sointula in 1902. Early activities and settlers at Sointula. The meaning of the name.; Early buildings and living arrangements. The fire of 1903. TRACK 2: The fire of 1903 and its consequences. Plants and animals around Sointula. Fishing, lumbering. The end of the Kalevan Kansa Colonization Co. Ltd. Early settlers. Leaders of the community.

CALL NUMBER: T1016:0006 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): The Finnish community at Sointula, B.C. PERIOD COVERED: 1902-1940 RECORDED: [location unknown], 1967-06-22 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Arvo Tynjala discusses printing "Aika". The Finnish library. Opposition to religion. Temperance. Education. Athletics. Finnish organization and co-op store. Saunas. Fishing and working in the; canneries. TRACK 2: Fishing work in canneries. Chinese people. Native people. Farming. Finnish Sointula songs. Meaning of Kalevan Kansa.

Charles and Sally Peterson interview

CALL NUMBER: T4031:0021 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Dreams of freedom : Charles Henry Peterson and Sally Peterson RECORDED: Sointula (B.C.), 1982-02-11 SUMMARY: Sally Peterson discusses: school and her childhood; farming (her father was Teodar Tanner); picnics; community activities- dances, band; mother came here from Washington state; father's character. Charles Peterson: early logging experiences (Mission area); logging truck driver experiences- North Vancouver, Malcolm Island, Port McNeill, problems on hills, runaway truck, 3 wrecks in 3 years.

CALL NUMBER: T4031:0022 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Dreams of freedom : Charles Henry Peterson and Sally Peterson RECORDED: Sointula (B.C.), 1982-02-11 SUMMARY: Charles Peterson: Great cedar on Malcolm Island; turntable for logging trucks at booming ground (description of this). Sally Peterson: not much work for women in Sointula in terms of a career; co-op annual meetings- all day affair, kids there for lunch; religion- parents did not need it; Sointula is a good place to bring up kids; few memories of the colony. (End of interview)

Clara Hersley interview

CALL NUMBER: T4031:0009 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Dreams of freedom : Clara Hersley RECORDED: Nanoose Bay (B.C.), 1982-02-09 SUMMARY: Clara Hersley discusses background and youth: she was eldest daughter of Theo Frederiksen; grandfather came in first settlement, and he tried to build a dyke by himself; she had to walk 2 miles to school every day; C.B. Christensen was teacher; chores; catalogues for Christmas gifts; description of making butter; haying- all pitched in, water came up under stacks at high tide; community work -- men; cared for trails and roads; produced a lot of their own food -- animals, game, fish, food from Quatsino; weather signs; lots of berries; toys; dad brought organ back from Vancouver; dances -- visits to neighbours meant very long walks (25-30 miles); beachcombing finds -- cotton bale, crates of oranges; parents seemed to cope with difficulties; why dad came back to Nanoose Bay. CALL NUMBER: T4031:0010 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Dreams of freedom : Clara Hersley RECORDED: Nanoose Bay (B.C.), 1982-02-09 SUMMARY: Clara Hersley discusses: doing lots of walking in her youth; trapping mink and raccoons around Cape Scott; gardening crops; favourite place -- watching the ways; cougars -- looking for tracks on the Sand Neck, father and brothers hunted them, cougar tracks on the way back from getting mail, meeting cougar on trail; father's character -- man of principles; father did not want to leave the Cape; DEW; line station and Air Force came; grandfather and dykes; entertainment- radio from Calgary, music; some characters here at the time; brothers lost at sea -- taking boat to Scott Islands, long search of beaches; mail service- capsized once, but everything saved; birth of sisters -- local midwives. (End of interview)

Dickie Michelson interview

CALL NUMBER: T4031:0032 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Dreams of freedom : Dickie Michelson RECORDED: New Westminster (B.C.), 1982-02-26 SUMMARY: Dickie Michelson discusses: growing-up in Sointula; school; grandparents; working; many fishing anecdotes; cooking; economics; describes areas he fished in; catching tuna; weather when fishing.

CALL NUMBER: T4031:0033 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Dreams of freedom : Dickie Michelson RECORDED: New Westminster (B.C.), 1982-02-26 SUMMARY: Dickie Michelson: trolling; Alert Bay-Sointula had honest competition; risk involved in fishing; logging; community spirit; Sunday school; athletics club; characters; logging kept Sointula going when fishing was bad; dad was also a good logger; farming; cows. (End of interview)

Ellen Mellstrom interview

CALL NUMBER: T4031:0001 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Dreams of freedom : Ellen Mellstrom RECORDED: Saltspring Island (B.C.), 1982-02-05 SUMMARY: Ellen Mellstrom discusses her personal background and growing up at Cape Scott: born at Cape Scott; Danish mother, father born in Wisconsin; schooling by correspondence; interested in farming and gardening as a child/youth; grew most of what they ate; berry picking; wild geese for Christmas; dressed up every Sunday; father repaired shoes; picnics in summer to neighbouring beaches; musical ability of father and brothers; many books in household. CALL NUMBER: T4031:0002 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Dreams of freedom : Ellen Mellstrom RECORDED: Saltspring Island (B.C.), 1982-02-05 SUMMARY: Ellen Mellstrom discusses early life at Cape Scott: learning to row; visiting friends in the area; promised road never built; shipped what they produced out to Port Alice by boat; fall fair; church not that important; spoke Danish all the time at home; father was at Cape Scott for 40 years- called King of Cape Scott by many; mother was gentle, a real lady. CALL NUMBER: T4031:0003 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Dreams of freedom : Ellen Mellstrom RECORDED: Saltspring Island (B.C.), 1982-02-05 SUMMARY: Ellen Mellstrom discusses: her unhappiness at moving away from Cape Scott; ambiguous relationship with sea; beachcombing; hunting cougars and deer; moved down to Nanoose Bay; grandfather was one of first people in the lagoon; remembers her childhood fondly; dances 20 miles from Cape Scott when she was young. (End of interview)

Interview with Olavi Anderson and Sam Maki and Vivian Maki

SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Dreams of freedom : Olavi Anderson, Sam Maki, Vivian Maki SUMMARY: Olavi Anderson: Finnish Organization; the labour movement; knowing everybody in Sointula; Makela was an educated man for the times- leader of the community. Sam Maki: bootlegger anecdote; fishing with his father; getting a power boat in the '50s; everyone acquired drums; boats are still well looked after in Sointula. Vivian Maki: going out in a boat named Vivian; staying on boat in Rivers Inlet for a month to fish in the summer; school in the fall and winter; both girls and boys got to fish in the boats; all the kids had to go out, so there was no one to stay home and babysit. (End of interview)

Irene Michelson interview

SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Dreams of freedom : Irene Michelson RECORDED: Sointula (B.C.), 1982-02-12 SUMMARY: Irene Michelson discusses: coming to Sointula in 1905 as an infant (5 months old); school; chores at home- everyone had to pitch in; father's character (father was Teodar Tanner); hopes and dreams of colonists; active in plays and choir; anecdote about stage experience; picnic places; income from father's farm. (End of interview)

Janet and Ted Tanner interview

CALL NUMBER: T4031:0030 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Dreams of freedom : Janet and Ted Tanner RECORDED: Sointula (B.C.), 1982-02-12 SUMMARY: Theodore Teuvo Tanner discusses early life in Sointula: born here; school days; fishing at Rivers Inlet; details about trolling and halibut fishing; made a home-made tractor; did not like chores; didn't like acting in plays. Janet Tanner: dances and plays important when she came to Sointula in 1925. Ted Tanner: his father was original co-op store member; father's character; fishing union details. Janet Tanner: born in 1918 in U.S.; went with family to Soviet Union; then to Sointula; first impressions of Sointula.

CALL NUMBER: T4031:0031 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Dreams of freedom : Janet and Ted Tanner RECORDED: Sointula (B.C.), 1982-02-12 SUMMARY: Janet Tanner: her father farmed in Sointula; discussion of saunas; describes May Day parade and sports; politics of Sointula. (End of interview)

Johanna Harestad interview

SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Dreams of freedom : Johanna Harestad RECORDED: White Rock (B.C.), 1982-03-17 SUMMARY: Johanna Harestad discusses her life at Cape Scott: parents moved to Cape Scott in 1896 from Wisconsin; government promised Holberg-Cape Scott road, so father decided to stay at Sea Otter Cove; land was hard to clear; beautiful place to grow up in as a child; made their own entertainment; loved the rain and fog; few children in community, but she had 8 in her family; ducks, geese, deer were hunted; anecdotes about cougars; picking berries; marrying John Harestad; description of her parents; values of the community; father wanted to make sawmill into a viable business but could not; Cape Scott park; meeting her husband (end of interview). (Other voice in tape is John Harestad, her husband)

Ken Hole interview

CALL NUMBER: T3653:0001 RECORDED: [location unknown], [196-] SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Mr. Hole talks about how people from Coal Harbour went to Port Hardy to vote. He speaks about his family's arrival at Coal Harbour where his father ran a hotel, and delivered the mail. He de;scribes the settlement at Coal Harbour; the proposed Winter Harbour British naval base; coal mining in the area; the Port Alice pulp mill; Nahwitti; Quatsino; early settlers in the area; Maquinna; Hol;berg; Shushartie; Winter Harbour; local work that included logging, fishing, mining, and the canneries. TRACK 2: Mr. Hole discusses his family's coming to Canada; they arrived in Vancouver in 1909, ;and later pre-empted on Nahwitti; and then moved to Quatsino Sound. He discusses early settlers in 1910, in the Nahwitti area; clearing land; fishing; hunting; and the telephone line. The Nahwitti settlement with ten to twelve pre-emptions only lasted four years; Cape Scott with thirty-five to forty pre-emptions, lasted ten to fifteen years. He talks about gold panning in the area; road work for ;the government; schooling; Shushartie; the post office; family life; the Hope Island Indian reserve; Nahwitti Bar; World War I, and trapping.;

CALL NUMBER: T3653:0002 RECORDED: [location unknown], [196-] SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Mr. Hole continues with his discussion about Quatsino and Coal Harbour; Ben Leeson the customs officer and justice of the peace; early settlers; his family; loggers; trouble-makers; dances; ;medical care; transportation of patients; storage and importation of food and supplies; the seaplane base at Coal Harbour, 1929 to 1940; coal mining at Coal Harbour; and settlers in Quatsino Sound. T;RACK 2: Mr. Hole describes the locations of communities in Quatsino Sound; Holberg; floating logging camps; the forest fire of 1889; early settlers; the Bland family; Williams the policeman and game ;warden; Leeson the coroner and justice of the peace; schooling; Hallowe'en pranks; and fellow students.; CALL NUMBER: T3653:0003 RECORDED: [location unknown], [196-] SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Mr. Hole recalls his teachers and schooling in Quatsino; his work at a logging camp; Coal Harbour air force base; the processing of whales at the Coal Harbour whaling station circa 1949. He ;describes early Port Hardy and Hardy Bay circa 1913; copper mining; logging and fishing in the area. [TRACK 2: blank.];

Lester Ray Peterson interview

CALL NUMBER: T4031:0011 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Dreams of freedom : Lester Ray Peterson RECORDED: Gibsons (B.C.), 1982-03-11 SUMMARY: Lester Peterson discusses his background: father's family to B.C.; helped establish colony at Cape Scott; Lester born 1917; WWI killed colony; promised road never really materialized; difficulties in transportation; more on his father- farming, mining; mother met father in San Josef and married him there; early twentieth century was a busy time for his family; uncle Henry Ohlsen's store; much cooperation in community; leadership; canneries built by grand-uncle; first settlers were Lutheran. CALL NUMBER: T4031:0012 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Dreams of freedom : Lester Ray Peterson RECORDED: Gibsons (B.C.), 1982-03-11 SUMMARY: Lester Peterson discusses: Sointula history; his experiences fishing; the 1936 strike; union formation; opening of new canneries; the Japanese community; anecdotes about the Frederiksens; after gold rush subsided, the colony dispersed; colony was very serious at first about creating a truly cooperative way of life; Quatsino used to flourish, now it is in major disrepair. CALL NUMBER: T4031:0013 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Dreams of freedom : Lester Ray Peterson RECORDED: Gibsons (B.C.), 1982-03-11 SUMMARY: Lester Peterson discusses: WWI; the promise of a road to Cape Scott; parks and trails in area now; trails are hard on the older people though; he is glad that Cape Scott is a park now, as there is no need for it to be a community. (End of interview)

Niels and Nancy Hansen interview

CALL NUMBER: T4031:0006 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Dreams of freedom : Niels Hansen RECORDED: Victoria (B.C.), 1982-03-04 SUMMARY: Niels Hansen discusses: arriving in Holberg in November 1911, age 7 years old; uncle already in Cape Scott- he was marriage commissioner, Justice of Peace; work was hard to get at this time; father bought out local store; hard life in Cape Scott at this time; logged for 2-3 years, starting at age 15; worked in cannery; then went to sea as a cook; fishing; looking for work in Quatsino, Port Alice; life at the canneries; going to dances; more on fishing.; CALL NUMBER:

T4031:0007 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Dreams of freedom : Niels Hansen RECORDED: Victoria (B.C.), 1982-03-04 SUMMARY: Niels Hansen discusses: fishing (cont'd); competition in hard times amongst fishermen in the area; wolf stories; anecdotes about cougars; geese, ducks and deer; going to school in Holberg, Cape Scott; Mr. Christensen; uncle, Knud Hansen was early settler. Mrs. Nancy Hansen discusses: arriving in San Josef Bay in 1915; father cleared land and created farm; few neighbours- once a month there was a get-together at Lake Erie; celebrations at Christmas, New Year's; a lonely life, especially for young people; managed to make own amusement; married in 1922 on beach at San Josef; people had to leave because there were no opportunities; parents.;

CALL NUMBER: T4031:0008 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Dreams of freedom : Niels Hansen RECORDED: Victoria (B.C.), 1982-03-04 SUMMARY: Niels Hansen discusses: politics not discussed much in Cape Scott; dreams of early Scandinavian settlers of creating a long-lasting community at Cape Scott; more about logging. Mrs. Nancy Hansen discusses: going to San Josef.;

Olavi John Anderson interview

SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Dreams of freedom : Olavi John Anderson RECORDED: Sointula (B.C.), 1982-02-12 SUMMARY: Olavi John Anderson: born 1913 at Sointula; background of father; boat building in 1918; dad's fishing; Olavi started fishing in 1936 in Johnstone Straight- then big strike; father was educated; school- learning English; Mr. Christensen; Finnish culture; Finnish organization; fishing union; his daughter still works in co-op office; discusses what he learned at school; current events, politics; hungry '30s- better for those in Sointula than city dwellers. (End of interview)

Petra Amsden interview

CALL NUMBER: T4031:0004 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Dreams of freedom : Petra Amsden RECORDED: Victoria (B.C.), 1982-03-03 SUMMARY: Petra Amsden discusses her time at Cape Scott: arrived in 1899; idea of Cape Scott was to have a little Denmark away from home; farming was difficult because of dense forest; tricky to dry hay because Cape Scott was so wet; lived in a house near the store at Fisherman's Cove; school attendance for children at the time was erratic because they all had to help at home; teacher, Mr. Christensen (?); father was an educated man; berry picking; garden; father hunted deer, geese and ducks; story about a pet deer.

CALL NUMBER: T4031:0005 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Dreams of freedom : Petra Amsden RECORDED: Victoria (B.C.), 1982-03-03 SUMMARY: Petra Amsden discusses: working with her father on the farm, hunting; many books; religion important; Mr. Jensen was leader; favourite places at Cape Scott; lived 5 days away from Victoria; community never lacked food, but sometimes tobacco was scarce; too far away to have playmates; bonfire with Mr. Christensen; wonderful shells on the beaches; other childhood memories; leaving in 1906-07, when she was 11. (End of interview)

Phyllis Hill interview

CALL NUMBER: T3982:0001 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Interview with Phyllis Hill RECORDED: Victoria (B.C.), 1982-07-28 SUMMARY: Interview with Phyllis Hill on the subject of Cape Scott and her childhood there. Discussion of photographs of Cape Scott subjects.

CALL NUMBER: T3982:0002 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Interview with Phyllis Hill RECORDED: Victoria (B.C.), 1982-07-28 SUMMARY: Recollections of school days, church, people (including teacher, minister), first and only marriage at Cape Scott, various other people, general store, post office at Fisherman's Bay, Sucharti, Scandinavian influence at Cape Scott. (End of interview)

Vilho Oksanen interview

SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Dreams of freedom : Vilho Oksanen RECORDED: Sointula (B.C.), 1982-02-12 SUMMARY: Vilho Oksanen discusses: conditions in Sointula when he arrived; no police, no jail, no church; had heard of A.B. Makela in Finland; Makela was Justice of Peace; he helped Oksanen get his fishing license; Makela was a great writer, but poor speaker; influential in socialist experiment at Sointula; happy times at colony, but arguments too; no money when he bought his land; hunted deer; worked together in the community to survive; having a child and sending him to school. (End of interview)

Walmis Newman interview

CALL NUMBER: T3339:0001 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Walmis Newman : a lifetime on the coast, part 1 RECORDED: Duncan (B.C.), 1978-07-06 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Walmis Newman describes his early life on the Saanich Peninsula; his long association with ships and boats, including the "Princess Sophia" disaster; boat building; the Genoa Bay sawmill. TRACK 2: His life at Musgraves Landing; Brother XII and DeCourcy island; his present farm near Duncan; more on boat building; his attitudes towards conscription and pacifism.

CALL NUMBER: T3339:0002 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Walmis Newman : a lifetime on the coast, part 2 RECORDED: Duncan (B.C.), 1978-07-06 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Walmis Newman describes clam digging and deer hunting during the 1930s; his Finnish background; prohibition; tugboats and their crews. TRACK 2: More on tugboats; types of BC coal and their uses; the Island Highway in the 1920s; the very poor working conditions of sailors.

Wayne H. Homer interview

CALL NUMBER: T4031:0026 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Dreams of freedom : Wayne Homer RECORDED: Sointula (B.C.), 1982-03-06 SUMMARY: Wayne Homer discusses early Sointula: born at Sointula, 1903; why Finns came to Canada and why they established temperance societies; 238 persons at Sointula by end of 1903 -- sawmill, blacksmith, etc; tragic fire led to many people leaving colony; Sointula policed by public until 1942; public meetings kept order; murder case involving woman killing baby; Malcolm Island settlement agreement; father was blacksmith in Sointula until 1922; father came to Sointula to escape exploitation; father was very strict; family background; boyhood experience. CALL NUMBER: T4031:0027 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Dreams of freedom : Wayne Homer RECORDED: Sointula (B.C.), 1982-03-06 SUMMARY: Wayne Homer discusses early Sointula: predecessors of Finns at Malcolm Island; Alert Bay -- B.C. Packers cannery provided jobs and houses for Natives; Harold Macmillan 'success story' in Depression; River's Inlet; starting to fish at age 15 years; buying own fishing equipment; logged in the fall/winter, fished in the summer; machinery involved in logging today; effects of logging on environment; Finnish organization; Communist Party of Canada; plays inherited from colony. CALL NUMBER: T4031:0028 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Dreams of freedom : Wayne Homer RECORDED: Sointula (B.C.), 1982-03-06 SUMMARY: Wayne Homer: humour very popular in Sointula in early days; community hall would be packed for performances of plays; orchestra; plays were very important; anecdotes about performers in these plays; lively co-op meetings; decision in 1909 to buy Peter Hilton out of store and create a cooperative store; Depression did not hurt Sointula too badly; farming in area; Natives and Finns were good neighbours, not so with Alert Bay whites; some Sointula boys married Haida girls. CALL NUMBER: T4031:0029 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Dreams of freedom : Wayne Homer RECORDED: Sointula (B.C.), 1982-03-06 SUMMARY: Wayne Homer: sawmills; saunas very popular with Finns- describes history, how they work, role in the healing/health process; midwifery an art in Finland; coming of TB to Malcolm Island; father was uneducated, but taught himself to write, read; mother had great knowledge of cows; good place to grow up; self-education. (End of interview)