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A. Jim Bagley interview

RECORDED: Canmore (Alta.), 1984-10 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Started with Kananaskis Ranch (Seebe), circa 1925 to 1931. Kananaskis Lakes; handles hydro surveys in the 1920s. Trips along the Continental Divide described. Kananaskis Ranch horsemen; Ray Legace, Bob Baptie, Chet Hogan, Bill Matthews. History on construction of Assiniboine Lodge, 1927. Worked for Strom/Assiniboine Lodge circa 1931 to 1936; packing wrangling, cooking ski guiding. Clientele during Depression years. TRACK 2: Walter Nixon's operation in the Kootenays. Spent some years in Windermere area. Worked clearing the Spray reservoir, circa 1939. One summer spent at Scotch Camp (Red Deer River) for warden service. A step from a grizzly. Roof blew off Assiniboine Lodge. Bill Bagley worked for Claude Brewster. Soapy Smith: ranch, outfitted Columbia Icefields trip; for Byron Harmon/Freeman, 1924. Alvin Gwyne, Art Cartledge, Pat Worthington. Frank Philipp's outfit. Joe Johnson. Mike Crosby.

Agnes and Ray Campbell interview

RECORDED: Kelowna (B.C.), 1983-11 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Bert Osborne was one of the first hunting outfitters in Wapiti District, late 1920s. Henry and Dave Joachim, Ed Stoney were some guides. Ed Moberly. Upper Canada College summer trips; Wembley to Mount Robson in 1936; 1937 trip detoured to Fraser River via Jarvis Creek and McGregor River. One of the largest summer outings - fifty people and eighty-six horses. Count Ignatieff was organizer. Canadian Geographical Jr. article, November 1936. Phillips Petroleum trip in 1940s: Mr. Knox, Angus Beaton. Carl Brooks started outfitting in 1936: summer trips to Kinuseo Falls, Porcupine; (Kakwa) Lake. Kakwa Falls. Route taken. Sherman Meadows. His death in plane crash at Kakwa Lake, 1945. Monkman Highway work, 1936 to 1939. Ted Chambers, Shorty McGuinness, Alex Monkman. Booklet on its history. Dud trips from Kinuseo Falls to Monkman Lake. Wife's work. Brooks outfit sold to Bert Dalgliesh in 1947. [TRACK 2: blank.]

Alpha Legace interview

RECORDED: Richmond (B.C.), 1983-11 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Ray Legace (Alpha's husband) was born in 1895 in Hatzic Prairie, BC; his first year in Banff was 1917 and later worked for Pat Brewster. English party used collapsible bathtub on trip. Repeat American parties. Worked with Percy Bennett, Red Cathcart, Chet Hogan, Mr. Temple, Scottie Wright, Wattie Potts. Areas hunted. Some hunting clients. Ray started on his own in 1930. Poor business during WWII. Worked summers at Lake Louise after 1940. Dr. Weibrecht made filming trips. Peabody Museum collecting expedition at Skoki, 1951. Calgary Herald article, sleeping with a bear. Flour snow tale. Lagaces ran Skoki Lodge from 1950 to 1963. History of lodge management. TRACK 2: Packed for Alpine Club, Seattle mountaineers in Lake Louise are in 1940s and 1950s. J. Munroe Thorington made repeat trips. Rockefellers. 1929 climbing trip with Colonel Amery detailed in book. Van Heek book. Some business details and factors. Dale Carnegie. Surviving the Depression. Old outfitters from Banff, Pat Brewster, George Harrison, Jack Thomas, Jimmy Simpson, Elmer Jamieson. Alpha's arrival in Banff, 1929. Sir Norman Watson. Managing Post Hotel.

Andy Russell interview

CALL NUMBER: T4105:0043.1 RECORDED: Millarville (Alta.), 1984-10 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Grew up with a passion for reading, the mountains and horses. Bert Rigall, international reputation, taught Andy guiding, childhood accident, started in 1907, operated out of Waterton Park, 1910. Wilderness summer trips, fifty horses, covered from Flathead Valley to Kananaskis. Major five month trip, Fort Steele to Pine Pass in 1911. Guides license obtained in 1936. Guiding territory in BC was lower Flathead Valley and east tributaries, 1946 to 1960. Used local BC guides. Selective hunting for bighorn sheep. Providing a service. High international outfitters rating. Frank Dvorak. Exclusive outfitting rights in Waterton Park, 110 horses. Recollections and perceptions of grizzly. TRACK 2: Guided famous hunting writers. Wilderness photography. Exposure/experience with big game, horses. Snowstorm problems. Close calls climbing. His film "Grizzly Country": lecture tour for 11 years, making it. Career thoughts. Description of Frenchie Riviere; origins, trailed horses to Fort St. John.

CALL NUMBER: T4105:0043.2 RECORDED: Millarville (Alta.), 1984-10 SUMMARY: Frenchie Riviere (continued). Jim Riviere, George Gladstone's stream crossing story. Crowsnest outfits; Frank Dvorak, Martin and Mike Baher, Vensel Dvorak. Leo Rutledge. Recollections of recent conservation battle with oil companies.

Arthur Allen interview

CALL NUMBER: T4105:0001.1 RECORDED: Quesnel (B.C.), 1983-11 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Swift place in Jasper. Tonquin Valley, 1926. 1929 hunting trip. Climbing Mount Robson, 1924. The Flying Trestle (1931-31). Robson area. Climbing party to Mount Sir Alexander (Kitchi), 1929. Adam Joachim. Bert Wilkins. Curly Phillips; boats and operation, circa 1936; trapping; death in avalanche (1939); retrieving the body. Hargreaves family; Jack, Roy. Berg Lake trips. Brazeau Circle trip with Stan Kitchen 1934. Forty-day dude trips from Devona. TRACK 2: Country and wildlife north of Jasper Park. Wolf and game decline. Various trails. Trips for Jack Brewster. Some; guides/outfitters in Jasper. Big Grave Flats. George Hargreaves death/grave on Sheep Creek, 1936. Indian grave on Pauline Creek. Tuffer party to Jarvis Pass. Darryl Zanuck hunt (Willmore Wilderness), 1930. Zanuck bear hunt on Canoe/Columbia Rivers, 1932 or 1933. CALL NUMBER: T4105:0001.2 RECORDED: Quesnel (B.C.), 1983-11 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Zanuck hunt, continued. Ted Abrams. Death forced premature boat exit to Revelstoke. River guides mentioned. Eight Mile Canyon near Revelstoke. Four month collecting trip for Carnegie Museum, Pittsburg, 1945 and 1946. Dr. Toomey. Andrew Mellon. Cunningham trip, 1938. Cutter Laboratories, California, hunting trip. Chuck Chesser, outfitter. Topographic survey of Jasper Park north; boundary, summer of 1927 and 1928. Mr. H.F. Lambert, chief surveyor. Grant Hare, packer, left first trip. Prior problems. Frank Burstrom's supply hike. TRACK 2: Permits and licences. Guiding regulations. Sheep and goat north of Jasper. Abercrombie hunting party of Jack Hargreaves. Starting his outfit, 1946. Caribou, areas and decline. Working for Jasper warden service from 1959 to 1971, building cabins. Fording the Smoky River. Grizzly bear incidents. 1931 museum (King) party. Tent Fire. CALL NUMBER: T4105:0001.3 RECORDED: Quesnel (B.C.), 1983-11 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Tent fire continued. Harvey Crate. Buffalo horns found at Mowitch Creek and Glacier Pass. Old Indian campsites and smoke huts. Alex Nellis, warden. Cabins and chalet at Berg Lake. Charley and Dan Bolen. Tom Wilde. Charley McMurtry. Stu Anderson. Rufe Neighbor. Bert Wilkins. Beaver pranks. Hersch Neighbor. Harry Phillips and grizzly bear attack. 'Red" Creighton ran Black Cat Ranch at Brule. Fights recounted. Ranch at Hinton. Solo attempt on Mount Robson by Mr. Waffle in 1930. [TRACK 2: blank.]

Bill Bagley interview

RECORDED: Ghost River (Alta.), 1984-10 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Freighting supplies in Kananaskis Valley, winter 1931. George Pocaterra. Ray Patterson. Banff Park outfits used both east slopes and BC areas of the Rockies. Soapy Smith. Frank Philipps; hunted Elk Valley in the 1940s. First packing/wrangling was dude trips for Claude Brewster and Soapy Smith in 1936. Banff wardens noted. Travel and fire permits required. Foreman at Kananaskis Ranch after 1950. Worked for Bud Brewster's outfit out of Banff. 25 years of wintering horses in Ghost area. Size of Brewster's outfits. Johnny Boychuk. Jim Bagley. Trails in the 1930s were better than today. Some names; Rex Logan, Alvin Gwyn, Ollie Rasmussen, Jim Tegart, Albert Cooper, horse trip from Alberta to the Cariboo, 1935. Ollie Armstrong. TRACK 2: Various aspects of horse trips. Indians helped on short trips; not too dependable.

Charles Doyle Reay interview

RECORDED: Jaffray (B.C.), 1983-12 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Recollections of Pete Lum, old Kootenay outfitter. Anton Rosicky. Doyle Reay started on Bull River, 1938. Territories on the Bull River, ca. 1948. Handled two hunters, twenty-six horses. Camps and areas hunted. 1927 fire. CPR tote roads and logging camp at Tanglefoot, 1904 to 1927. Goat locations. Bull Valley one of the best overall game country. Donnaly Slide. Some more recent outfitters noted. Ron Cullen was his wrangler. Trophy hunting. Various American clients. Fees. Problems climbing for a goat. Wounded grizzly story. TRACK 2: Majority of clients were no problem. Details on preparing heads and capes for taxidermy. Strategy for stretching the hunt. Sheep herding between Picture Butte, Alberta and Crowsnest Pass in the early days. Sold outfit to Harry Riddell. Jimmy White and Art Nicol were the oldest guides in the region. Martin Baher guided in Elk Valley. John Dvorak worked in Flathead Valley. Others, Jim and Buster Tegart, Jim Thompson, Buster St. Elio. Comparing past and present game populations. Never advertised. His wife did the books and correspondence.

Chester Sands interview

RECORDED: Rocky Mountain House (Alta.), 1983-12 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Clarence Sands homesteaded west of Rocky Mountain House. Started guiding/outfitting in 1919. One client made 24 trips. Forestry pack trails. Areas worked, Nordegg and Brazeau Rivers. Mid 1920s fishing trips to Pinto Lake. Blackstone River and Job Creek used for 1930s hunts. Main hunting areas between Northern Saskatchewan and Brazeau Rivers used. One of pioneer outfitters in the region. Chester Sands started wrangling in 1947 and guiding in 1950. Family operation; four sons helped guide. Present hunting areas in Coral and Job Creeks. Clarence outfitted until 1952. Present day hunts and game potential. Ken Thompson and Del Wing outfitted geological surveys in 1940s. Surveys were all summer long and also within national parks. Brazeau River; game moved into park, outfits used for park trail. Whisker Creek. Ray Mustard. Wilderness area. Old forestry telephone line and cabins, Nelson, Mons, Bighorn, etc. Sam Sands outfit. Myrtle Sands Raivio was first woman outfitter in Alberta, circa 1940s. [TRACK 2: blank.]

Cliff Duke interview

CALL NUMBER: T4105:0008.1 RECORDED: Gordondale (B.C.), 1983-11 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Came west for harvesting in 1923. Timekeeping for Fred Brewster operation in Jasper, 1923 to 1927. Operated dairy in Jasper, 1927-28. Homesteading near Beaverlodge, 1929-1940. Monkman Pass (highway) work. Fred Brewster's operation: building Jasper golf course with 52 teams of horses, relocating CNR round house, tourist chalets and tours, "Pocahontas" (Miette) hot springs. Daily charges for hunting and dude trips. George and Jack Brester. The Neighbors. Otto brothers. Jack Hargreaves. First Jasper winter carnival in 1924: setting ski trail with Pete Withers, ski race, costume contest. Railroad surveys in Monkman Pass area. Kelly Sunderman. Monkman Pass highway trail work. TRACK 2: Henry Hobic, trapper. Alex Monkman, early trader, and origin of pass name. Monkman expedition: organization, work logistics, route description. Trapping area. Pack for Gulf Oil surveys, late 1940s. Onion Lake fossils. Gas seep. Volcano (sinkhole) near Jarvis Lakes. Description of Kakwa Lake area. Some cold sulphur springs. 1932 prospecting trip.

CALL NUMBER: T4105:0008.2 RECORDED: Gordondale (B.C.), 1983-11 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Carl Brooks died in a plane crash at Kakwa Lake in 1945. Tom Wilde. Met Hersh Neighbor during his pack move (1954) from Tete Jaune Cache. [TRACK 2: blank.]

Clifford Eagle interview

RECORDED: Lac la Hache (B.C.), 1983-11-21 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Childhood spent around Dog Creek, Alkali Lake, and 150 Mile House. Made money "chasing" coyotes with horses. Ranched and trapped in the Lac La Hache area. Noted for "man-hunting" skills. Details of tracking for lost and dead men. Guided for Ted Ogden and Percy Hamilton. His two guiding areas were Lac La Hache and Crooked Lake. Advertising. Cougar dogs. Moose populations. "Reading bear" story. TRACK 2: Good cooking an important aspect. Operational aspects. Used Indian guides. Wolves and [bounty?]. Other outfitters: Buster Hamilton, Herbie McNeil. Ceased guiding in 1969 or 1970.

Cora Mustard interview

RECORDED: Seba Beach (B.C.), 1983-12 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Will Mustard (Cora's husband) born in Nebraska in 1892; worked for Otto Brothers in Jasper, 1917. Started family outfit at Mountain Park with father, Harvey, and brother, Ray, in 1920. Advertised in American magazines. Brazeau was main hunting area. Rented saddle horses to miners. Moved outfit to Jasper in 1928. Did summer trips. Guides: Jack Denson, Bill Berry, Berle Berry, wranglers. Vern Mustard road foreman on Banff/Jasper highway construction. Move to McBride in 1935. Trip with Model T Ford. Owner of Boston Red Sox was client. Work on roads during the war. Moved to Drayton Valley later. [TRACK 2: blank.]

David Nixon interview

RECORDED: Wilmer (B.C.), 1983-12 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Accounts of hunting grizzly. Snowbound escape from Ice River area via Wolverine Pass. Walter Nixon (father) started packing ore in Parson area, 1907. Was game warden during WWI, political appointment. Gordon Nixon took out survey parties. David started in 1932. Outfit called 2N, was family operation and was sold after WWII. Hunting on Simpson River for moose and grizzly, got three record heads. TRACK 2: Seven point elk. Upper Simpson River had "tame" elk. Built original trail in Simpson Valley. Sir George Simpson's copper tea kettle found. Nixon built a number of other trails. Bill Harrison, Roy McDonald were guides. Some dude trips for CPR resort at Windermere. Packing for Alpine Club camps. Lake of Hanging Glacier. Photo in ice cave. Survey work was good money, climbing parties less so. Packing for surveys on Big Bend Highway. Brother was among those drowned on Kinbasket Lake then. Bugaboos. Nixons helped Conrad Kain. Wintered horses on Police Meadows at Edgewater. Walter Nixon died in 1952.

Eugene Merrill interview

RECORDED: Edson (Alta.), 1984-10 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Early trapping and moose hunting in the Peace River region. Local guides names. Worked for Stan Clark and Jack Hargreaves in the Jasper area, circa 1938. Art and Ken Allen were head guides. Other Jasper outfits in the 1940s noted. Tips given on summer and fall trips. Pat Smith, Ed and Frank Moberly. Cooks. Hargreaves' area was Sulphur River; trailed in from Devona. Red Ilee. Hunter's death recounted; taking out the body, etc. Worked for Red Creighton's outfit after WWII. Outfitting summer climbing trips, usually 14 days. TRACK 2: Larry McGuire. Transferred into pack troop at Prince George during WWII; specialized horsemen, packed mountain fighters for manoeuvers in mountain parks. Gene was a farrier. A 'unique' discharge. Wife cooked for various outfitters. Various wages for summer and fall trips. Guiding equipment. Fish story regarding Jack Hargreaves. Frank Burstrom and disappearing elk horns story.

Felix Plante interview

RECORDED: Entrance (Alta.), 1984-10 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Mark Truxler and Carl Lugar worked for him. Average trip was 30 to 49 days. Nine days travel one-way. George Hargreaves buried at Sheep Creek. Smoky River ford at Clarke's Crossing. Large caribou herds. $125.00 license allowed seven trophies, $25.00 per day cost. Tips better than wages. Abundant game meant easy hunting. Successful one-legged hunter and a $1,000 tip. A problem 300 pound 'chesterfield' saddle. Worked for Fred Brewster. Camp innovations; tents, cook stoves, heaters, folding tables. Family moved to mountains in 1914 and trapped on Berland River. Tracking a deer backwards. Forestry work circa 1915 to 1920. TRACK 2: Initially guided for Fred Brewster. Tim Vinson. Abe Rimmer. Guide had to cook on summer dude trips. Early Jasper outfits noted. Park guides license cost $2.50; Alberta one was $5.00. Art Allen. Len Jeck. Started own outfit on hunter's grubstake circa 1936. Summer trips used 60 horses. Adams and Henry Joachim. Retired at age 75. Home made panniers. Earl Anderson and tin panniers. Gunshot accident became unfortunate fatality. Unarmed encounter with huge grizzly.

Floyd Smith interview

RECORDED: Canmore (Alta.), 1984-10 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Had class A guide's license for 55 years, from 1924 to 1979. On the trail since 1918. Dad, Carl, had outfit in Blairmore; drove Golden Gate stage in Yellowstone Park, 1895 to 1900. Crowsnest area; hunted Castle River, Flathead and Elk Valley. Nordstrom Brothers, Cutch Charlie. Trailed over south Kootenay Pass. Mike Baher. Hot springs in Elk Valley. Areas hunted. Crowsnest background, Frenchie, Charlie (Chink) and Jim Riviere, Buckhorn ranch sold. Guided west of Turner Valley. Started guiding in Banff area for Claude Brewster, 1945. Others mentioned, Alvin Gwyne, Soapy Smith, Art Cartledge. Stoney Indians: rented their horses, good guides for elk, moose, etc. Trophy heads. Yoho Park horse concession with Johnny Boychuk, 1950 to 1954. Summer operation at Assiniboine/Marvel Lake in later years. Some packing for geological surveys, forestry lookouts. Southern Rockies name: Johnny Musgrove, Bert Rigall, Charlie hunter. Photo/lecture tours. Wife, Lillian cooked at Lake Louise, Lake O'Hara, etc. TRACK 2: Hollywood movie work mentioned. Guided for Fred Brewster in Jasper, 1948-49. Tom Vinson. Floyd covered much of Rockies from US border to north of Jasper.; Guided some big name clients. Prices and costs noted. Some reflections on pioneering horse use.

Frank Burstrom interview

RECORDED: Jasper (Alta.), 1983-11 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: 1930 ski trip from Jasper to Banff with Joe Weiss, Doug and Verne Jeffrey, Pete Withers. GTP railroad work camp and Red Pass, 1912. Moved to Jasper in 1919. Brewster trips and operations. Moose River trip, 1927. Jack Hargreaves outfit. Otto Brothers. Description of Curly Phillips. Phil Hageson and Oliver Travers snowshoe trip to Banff, 1931. Mid-1920s work on Jasper north boundary surveys. Art Allen. Warden service 1938 to 1966. Jasper Park Lodge. Park regulations. Cutting railway ties on Whirlpool River. TRACK 2: Cutting ties, continued. Bill/Ray Mustard. Brazeau warden district work. Hunting trip miscellanea. Horses vis-à-vis Jasper Park. Felix Plante. Ed and Frank Moberly. Palisades Ranch owners. Length of hunting trips. Sixty-four years residing in Jasper.

Freeman ("Friday") Lonsdale interview

CALL NUMBER: T4105:0013.1 RECORDED: Chase (B.C.), 1983-12 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Burial of George Hargreaves on Sheep Creek. Description of area and trails near Sheep Pass. Used Alberta guides from Grand Cache. Eating porcupine. Guided for Jim Smith out of Snowshoe (Crescent Spur), 1926. Put in original trail up Morkill River. Trip to Jarvis Lakes via McGregor River. Fossils. Accident curtailed guiding in 1940. Jimmy Smith killed by horse in 19444. Homesteaded in 1924. Indian drying racks. TRACK 2: Caribou populations and decline. Came along Continental Divide. Grizzly stalked him. First camp and features on Morkill River and Forget-Me-Not Creek. Mustards worked out of McBride. Hookers from Dome Creek. Account of sixty-five day collecting trip for Peabody Museum, 1931. Specimens, people, taxidermist, areas, 52 horses.

CALL NUMBER: T4105:0013.2 RECORDED: Chase (B.C.), 1983-12 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Big Shale Hill. Boundary trail. Fishing at Kakwa (Porcupine) Falls. Usually at lunch in the saddle. A grizzly prank. Duration of most trips. Almost snowbound on the Divide. Plane wreck at Kakwa Lake. A 32 year old reunion in the wilderness with Archie Clark. Camp equipment and organization described. TRACK 2: Handling the horses. Clients and costs. Working on GTP Railway in 1911. Threshing in Manitoba. Floated upper Fraser River on a scow in 1912 en route to Vancouver. Took stage from Soda Creek. Interviewer's notations.

George Camp interview

RECORDED: Jasper (Alta.), 1983-11 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Came to Jasper area with work on GTP Railroad in 1915. Cooked for Jack Brewster in 1922. Trip re: first ascent of Mount Alberta, 1925. Cooked for Fred Brewster and Curly Phillips. Details of cooking on the trail. Trip with Jack Hargreaves. Adam Joachim. Bill Mustard. Indian grave on Cardinal River. Guides from Brule. Town site and CNR surveys. Bobby Jones, Jimmy Lambe. 1935 geological survey. Park warden, 1939. [TRACK 2: blank.]

George Korsvik interview

RECORDED: Victoria (B.C.), 1984-01 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Came to Canada from Norway in 1927. Trapped and guided out of Valemount from 1929 to 1936. Trap line with Ollie Lebeck, Wood River/Athabasca Pass. Historic Athabasca Trail. Oswald Svendsen. Fortress Lake, 1930. Darryl Zanuck hunting trip on Canoe and Columbia Rivers in 1932 or 1933. Ed Garrett, river guide. Hunters' death. Hunters' names. Guides Art Allen, Chuck Chesser, Oliver Travers, and Ted Abrams, cooks, Eric Swanson. Berg Lake dude rides. Hargreaves brothers. Stan Carr and Mount Robson area. TRACK 2: Topographic surveys, Kinbasket Lake/Canoe River 1936. Frank Swannell. Survey work on Vancouver Island and in the Rockies in 1939. Canadian Army. Relocation to Valemount. Hunting by boat in Canoe River area. Road along Canoe River. Trapping and guiding logistics. Al Huble. Curly Phillip's river boat. Canoe River hot springs.

Hersch Neighbor interview

CALL NUMBER: T4105:0017.1 RECORDED: Fort St. John (B.C.), 1983-11 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: A green kid's first trip wrangling in 1926. A cold forty day trip. Guided for 38 consecutive years. Included Jasper, Tete Jaune Cache, and Pink Mountain. Best game and horse country was ;north of Jasper. Territorial comparison. Curly Phillips was pioneering outfitter. Indians. Hunting territories overlapped at Kakwa (Porcupine) Lake. Various geographic names in Kakwa area / Sheep Pass meadows. Clark's crossing on Smoky River. Die-off of caribou. TRACK 2: Various trips in Jasper Park. Some Jasper outfitters. Brother, Rufe, started about 1918, later partner with Bert Wilkins. Description of Curly Phillips and operation. Ed 'Dad' Neighbor. Park guide badge 1921. Otto Brothers in Jasper. Magazine article. Family move with horses from Tete Jaune Cache to Pink Mountain in 1954. Outfitted from Pink Mountain for ten years. Description of his territory, rivers, game, trails. 1906 police trail noted. Eunice's (wife) involvement in operations. CALL NUMBER: T4105:0017.2 RECORDED: Fort St. John (B.C.), 1983-11 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Stan Russell's death and burial on Big Shale Hill, 1951. Plaque mounted. George Hargreaves' death and grave. Shovel superstition. Details of bear attack on Harry Phillips at Berland River; on Jack Powell at Prophet River. Blood poisoning incident on dude trip to Kakwa Lake, 1936 or 1937. A lucky wilderness operation on his leg. Changes in outfitting over the years, tents, cooking, stoves and heating, lamps, pack boxes. Game pressure and conservation today. [TRACK 2: blank.]

Ishbel Cochrane (et al.) interview

RECORDED: Mount Robson Ranch (B.C.), 1983-11 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Hargreaves family came to Jasper in 1913. Homestead and guest ranch at Mount Robson. 1923 built and operation CNR cabins at Berg Lake. Ray Hargreaves built the chalet later. All five brothers guided and outfitted. Some guides and packers: Art and Ken Allen, Harvey Crate, Dean Swift, Ted Shive, Stan Carr, Chuck Chesser, Don and Dave McMurtry. Trap lines. Ray Hargreaves and Chuck Chesser partnership, 1931. Other workers; Bud Traver, Les Templeman, Bill Blackman, George Korsvik. George Hargreaves death in 1936. Work record stone sheep (Chadwick Ram). Graves in the wilderness. Big name hunters mentioned. Isaac Plante, Deome Findlay. Joachim family. Eddie Moberly. TRACK 2: Eddie Moberly (continued). Murray Cochrane's involvement from 1934. Describing Roy Hargreaves. Boating down Upper Smoky River. Hargreaves' daughter's involvement. Old geographic names in region. Horse fords on Smokey River. Geological Surveys.

James Riviere interview

RECORDED: Twin Butte (B.C.), 1983-12 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Some humourous occasions and pranks on the trail. Johnny Krokennock, guide. Three types of dudes. Preferred Texans. Bert Rigall was old-time outfitter. Used upper Oldman River. Dave Simpson. Father outfitted parties north of Jasper, late 1920s. Dude trips out of Waterton Park, 1929. Prince of Wales horse concessionaires; Jack Bevans, Morris Brothers, his brother Rankin, Pat Brewster, Dave Simpson. His guides; Harold Fisher, Rex French. Wife cooked on most trips. Fees and wages. Some hunting areas noted. One hunter, by the name of Dunn, brought his own outfit. Characteristics of grizzly bear. TRACK 2: Hibernating bear story. Carl and Floyd Smith. Very few outfits worked in Alberta's southwest corner. Getting started and maintaining business. Reasons for quitting guiding. Criticism of present-day game management.

James Tegart interview

RECORDED: Brisco (B.C.), 1983-12 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Arthur Tegart homesteaded at Windermere in 1886. Guided hunters in early 1900s. Guiding supplemented farm income. Bob and Buster continued family outfit after 1925. Jim Tegart stated about 1929; own outfit in 1943. Used wild horses in pack string for a total of forty. Areas hunted. Built trail in Squaw, Lodgepole, Marion Creeks, White River. Indian hunting trail from Kananaskis. Game, roads, and decline. Tegart Pass and Mountain. Jim Thompson guided. Tents reverted to cabins on Albert River, Tipperary Falls, Queen Mary Creek. Frequent fly-camping. Names of old time game wardens. Albertans hunted the Palliser. TRACK 2: Austrian hunters. Woman hunter, 69 years old. Lost supplies fording a river. Doreen cooked for most parties; an all day job. Daughters have cooked, sons did guiding. Old area outfitters; Jim and Gordon McKay, Upper Kootenay, Beaverfoot, Bill Harrison, Alpine Club. Big Bend Highway work. Banff/Jasper highway packing. Rode a horse to death. Hunted in the Purcell Mountains. One-armed hunter.

John Boychuk interview

RECORDED: Canmore (Alta.), 1984-10 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Started in early 1930s; worked for Pat Brewster, Brewster Transport, and Claude Brewster. Grew up in Cypress Hills. Various jobs in Banff from 1927. Pat Brewster outfit; Assiniboine camp, 200 head of horses, short dude trips. Horse assisted hiking trips in Larch Valley, Skoki. A 36-day sightseeing trip from Kananaskis Lakes to Lake Louise. Worked with Harvey Clark, Lance Reigher, Jim Moore, after WWII. Other outfits; Ray Legace, George Harris. One guiding territory was Simpson River; then Panther-Clearwater areas used. Bought horses from Stoney Indians. Yoho Park years and various horse concessions, circa 1948 to 1968. Floyd Smith was early partner. Regulation eventually restricted operation. Packed for Alpine Club in Yoho Park. TRACK 2: Some guides, etc.: Rex Logan, Alvin Gwynne, Ike Mills, Bagley brothers, Jim Burroughs, Brewster's 60th anniversary reunion. Slim Hogan managed the Ya Ha Tinda. Operating pony stable at Canmore.

Ken Allen interview

RECORDED: Kelowna (B.C.), 1984-10 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Worked for Curly Phillips in 1924; market garden and tourist boating. Seventy-day climbing expedition to Columbia Icefields in 1927; first ascent record, Swiss guides. Mount Robson. Description of Donald "Curly" Phillips; death in avalanche, tourist boat operations in early 1930s. Packing and guiding. Indian guides. Jack Hargreaves. Red Creighton. Head guide psychology. Grande Cache. Ken and wife worked for Ray Hargreaves at Mount Robson. First ascent expedition to Mount Sir Alexander in 1929. broken ankle tended by Dr. Gilmour. Mr. Waffle. Finished guiding in 1939. Jasper warden service in early 1940s, then CNR work. Train accident in 1951 at Canoe River killed 22 people. Harry Phillips attacked by grizzly. TRACK 2: Grizzly attack continued. Medicine Lake and Maligne Lake tourist boat concession circa 1931 to 1933. Phillip's dude trap line, 1927. Many wives did the cooking on trips. Chuck Chesser. Slim Fry. George Korsvik. Oswald Svensen. Otto Brothers. Joe Saladana. Boundary survey work, 1938. General guiding duties. Fred Brewster. Building laundry for Jasper Park Lodge. Other names; Max Hoover, Larry McGuire, Frank Burstrom, Adam Joachim, Dave, Frank and Ed Moberly. Summer dude trips. River fords. Memories of American hunters.

Ken Thomson interview

RECORDED: Rocky Mountain House (Alta.), 1983-12 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Trapped with Ray Mustard in 1939. Guided for Waddy Watson, Ed Sherbick, Ray Mustard. Most area outfitters focused on area south of Brazeau River. Outfitting surveys complemented hunting. Previously cooked and packed. Cold Lake military range, 1952. Survey work. Surveyors names. Northern Rockies outfitters; Jim Beattie, Leo Rutledge, Mel Kyllo. Ran big operation, three outfits, 100 horses, Ed Mackenzie and Ed Hitchings helped. Hunting parties, length, sheep main objective, Cariboo closed off. Outfitter requirements detailed (regulations). Some cooks and guides noted. Ray Simpson's green grizzly. Description of Brazeau/Job country, campsites, saddle horse. Good mountain sheep areas identified. TRACK 2: Elk. Pinto and Job (Wilson) Lake fish. Packed throughout the Rockies. 113 day geological party in Monkman area. Natural gas seeps. Sulphur springs. Trapping. Death on MacDonald Creek. A ton ten Mexican hunter. Backcountry curios; totem pole, elk antler pile, telephone line horns. Sold outfit in 1957. Son drowned on the Smoky River in 1952.

Larry McGuire interview

RECORDED: Vernon (B.C.), 1983-11 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Worked for Fred Brewster and Medicine Lake, 1932. Description of Harry and Curly Phillips' operation. Brewster had 380 horses. List of outfitters operating from Jasper town site, late 1920s. Family moved there in 1924. Adam Joachim. Jasper Rodeo and Turf Club. Jack Hargreaves packed for the Alpine Club. Aspects of the Maligne Lake Area. Worked for Stan Kitchen from 1936 to 1938. Other guides. American hunters. Mr. A.C. Willoby (Palisades). First outfit with Red Creighton 1945. Black Cat Ranch. North Boundary dude trip. Dennison and Britton outfitted at Mount Robson. TRACK 2: Louie Delorme. Variations on North Boundary trip. George Foley, warden at Devona. Overnighting horses. Advantages of pyramid and baker tents. Eddie Moberly. Larry McGuire worked for national park warden service from 1949 until his retirement.

Leo Rutledge interview : [Sky, 1983]

RECORDED: Fort St. John (B.C.), 1983-11 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Guiding in Northern Rockies started in 1920s. First guided for Stan Clark around 1932 on a 42-day hunt. Jim Ross was initial outfitter. Only wealthy American were clients. Gradually worked into outfitting. Guiding supplemented trapping revenue. Details of Curly Phillips' northern canoe trips; Rutledge managed sheep hunting portion. Harry Phillips. Northern Rockies hunting/outfitting expanded after WWII with resultant changes; shorter hunts, float planes, airstrips, poorer quality outfits. Background and rationale for inception of guiding territories in northern Rockies, 1961. TRACK 2: Guides association organized. Other politics of later guiding. Territory covered Prophet River. Indian trails and camps. Description of Tom Wilde. Topographic survey on Wapiti/Narraway Rivers, 1942. Surveys could kill camp meat. Hazard of river fords and fires. General discussion.

Madeline Turnor interview, 1983

RECORDED: Invermere (B.C.), 1983-12 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Family homesteaded in Columbia Valley in 1911. First pack trip 1916 with A. McCarthy. Alpine Club camps. Hunting in Assiniboine, 1919. Gibbon party photo in Diamond Hitch while working for Walter Nixon, 1923. Background on Nixon's outfit. CPR bungalows in Windermere, day trips and duties. Worked for Staples' dude ranch at Premier Lake (1927) for 30 years; S-Half Diamond. Train load of wealthy American girls. Trips: Whiteswan Lake, Sheep (Lussier) Creek, Top of the World. Shorter rides for junior girls. Various camps noted. Hunting trips started after the Depression; some guides and hunting areas mentioned. Purcell trips; Lake of the Hanging Glacier. Byron Harmon. Conrad Kain taught her how to pack. TRACK 2: Trail riders of the Canadian Rockies in Yoho, 1923. Walter Nixon. Trails above Invermere, Lake of Hanging Glacier, Toby Creek. Local outfitters; Tegart's, McKay's, Pete Lum, Bert Lowe, Dave Nixon. Other duties at Premier Lake. Dr. and Mrs. Stone's climbing accident of Mount Eon. Mr. and Mrs. Best. Other people. Some comparisons to modern day activities.

Mark and Agnes Truxler interview

RECORDED: Entrance (Alta.), 1983-12 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Mark and Agnes met working for Fred Brewster in 1927. Four day "Circle Trip" used to establish camps. Hughes and Kitchen outfit. Agnes and her sister were first female guides in Jasper Park. Mark stated in Banff in 1923 as a packer for A.O. Wheeler. Circle tour to Assiniboine. Change encounter with Bill Peyto. Wheeler's influence. Combined horse round-up with Jimmy Simpson. Agnes quit Brewster in 1930. Non-resident special hunting permit. Game decline after WWII. Bert Osborne from Wembley. Archie Clark, game warden, was a silent shadow. Critical differences between equipment and methods of Jasper and Banff outfits. TRACK 2: Worked for Roy and George Hargreaves. A prophetic shovel comment. Medicine-Maligne boats. Curly and Harry Phillips. Dad (Ed) Neighbor. Discussion of hunting party size and trip planning. Many Indian guides were Iroquois. Initial war restriction killed hunting season. Geological survey trips. Bill (Will) Mustard and Bill Harrison were Mountain Park outfitters. Other names; Digby Harris and Harry Miller, Otto Brothers, Stand Clark. Clark's cache. Curly and Harry Phillips and deaths.

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